Author Topic: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)  (Read 1845 times)

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #27 on: Monday 30 April 18 13:41 BST (UK) »
Same for Susanna and Richard, struggling to find concrete link. Richard Hall 1797 did get convicted for 14 days in 1843 for "DO" which I think is drunken offence. Interesting. Seems to be a lot charged for the same reason.

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #28 on: Monday 07 May 18 16:58 BST (UK) »
JJ - Yes that is the correct baptism record. I cant find out anymore about John and Mary and am really keen to shed some light on this. Would be a shame to come to a halt here. Any tips?

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 12 May 18 16:43 BST (UK) »
I am still stumped on Richards parents John and Mary which is on his birth certificate. Hmm.

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 13 May 18 17:52 BST (UK) »
Is this your Frederick in 1871?
2 Church Lane, Hampstead RG10/191 folio 62 pg 30
Frederick Hall head mar 37 hackney carriage driver b. Oxon, Benson
Sarah wife 40 b. Sussex, Rodmell
Frederick W son 8 b. Surrey, Peckham
Herbert son 3 b. Middx, Hampstead
birth reg for Frederick W dec qtr 1862 Camberwell 1D pg 514 mmn Hutson

If so, you're looking at the wrong Richard & Harriet as Frederick was born in Oxfordshire
1851 census  Benson, Oxfordshire
Richard Hall head mar 54 Ag lab b. Berkshire, Radley
Harriot wife 50 b. Radley
John son 27 ag lab b. Benson
Frederick son 17 ag lab b. Benson
Henry son 15 ag lab b. Benson
Richard son 10 errand boy b. Benson
William son 8 b. Benson

1841 census Tidmarsh, Ewelme HO107/881/8 folio 22 pg 16
Richard Hall 40 ag lab
Harriet 40
James 15 ag lab
John 13 ag lab
Edward 12 ag lab
Thomas 10 ag lab
Frederick 7
Henry 5
Susan 1
Richard 3 months
all born Oxfordshire except Harriet
Birth regs for Susan, Richard & William at Wallingford have mother's maiden name of Hughes

Marriage 31 March 1823 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire for Richard Hall & Harriet Hughes
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNGL-G82
Richard Hall of Benson from the BTs, witnesses Stephen Simmonds & James Collins

Harriet was baptised 5 Oct 1800 in Radley, daughter of Thomas & Susannah
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKKF-96B

Can't see an obvious baptism for Richard, but he doesn't help with census entries as 1841 says born in county and 1851 & 1861 say Radley, Berkshire. Also, there's not a huge amount of records for Berkshire & Oxfordshire online from that period. But I'm certain it's not the one Finsbury one.


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #31 on: Monday 14 May 18 02:04 BST (UK) »
Thinks wires might be crossed here. My great grandfather was Herbert E Hall 1826 married to a Mary K Fox. Herbert's parents were Frederick and Sarah Hutson. I am 100% sure on this. Then Frederick's parents were Richard Michael Faraday Hall 1819 who married Emily Holdstock. This is then where Richard Hall 1797 comes in married to Harriet Selina de Bouffler. Hope you can follow.

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #32 on: Monday 14 May 18 20:40 BST (UK) »
Herbert Ernest Hall married Mary Fox 29 Sept 1894. He was 28, post office clerk and father Frederick a coachman, witnesses were Frederick W Hall & Sarah Hall. So the 1871 census I gave would appear to be the correct family with father Frederick a hackney carriage driver and older brother Frederick William. That Frederick was born in Benson, Oxfordshire around 1834 and his father, according to the census, was Richard, an ag lab born 1797.

Do you have the 1857 marriage certificate to show father's name & occupation? Not just the transcription available online.

Frederick's age on the census shows that he was born around 1834 so somone born 1819 is too young to be his father.
Richard Hall married Emily Holdstock 20 July 1848, about 14 years after the birth of Frederick in Benson, Oxfordshire.
Richard Hall & Emily did have a son called Frederick, his birth was registered jan qtr 1856 East London vol 1c pg 12 mmn Holdstock.

Richard and family in 1861
23 Richmond St, RG9/203 folio 97 pg 4
Richard Hall head mar 41 bookseller's assistant
Emily wife 39 b. Kent, Dymchurch
Emily dau 11
Alice dau 10
Richard son 8
Frederick son 5 )_ twins
Elizabeth dau 5 )
Ann dau 2
So here Frederick shows as aged 5 in 1861 and yet you say he married Sarah Hutson when that marriage was 6 Sept 1857?

I think more than one online tree has been conflated here.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 15 May 18 02:30 BST (UK) »
Everything you have here is correct. Everything up to Frederick 1833 and Sarah Hutson/Hudson is correct and you make a valid point re the ages. This means I need to recheck who Frederick's parents are. This may explain why I was stuck with this Richard. My family have confirmed there was a Sarah Hutson as a great grandmother.

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 15 May 18 02:59 BST (UK) »
I have an 1841 census with a Richard and Harriet parents of Frederick age 7, address seems correct too. Lots of other kids. Will see what unfolds here. I might be back to Richard 1797 again married to Harriet Selina de Bouffler. Then I will be stuck again lol with Richards parents.

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Re: Info needed - Richard Hall 1797 (Harriet Selina de Bouffler 1976)
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 15 May 18 07:39 BST (UK) »
The Richard & Harriet in Ewelme in Oxfordshire in 1841 with 7 year old Frederick are Richard Hall & Harriet Hughes. The Richard married to Harriet Selina doesn't have a Frederick with him only Harriet aged 19 and Eleanor 4 months.

To be sure of the father of Frederick you need a copy of the 1857 marriage certificate. It will confirm name & occupation. Ref sep qtr 1857 Lewes vol 2b pg 195.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb