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Offline MacGrigor

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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #18 on: Monday 30 April 18 11:30 BST (UK) »
Looks like Sulhampsted Bannister? Don't think I've read it correctly.
Dead-end ancestors:

Morris Lipman, b. ca. 1828, m. 1844, City of London, d. 1865, City of London
Simon McGrigor/McGregor/MacGregor, b. ca. 1789, m. 1811, Fodderty, d. 1859, Fodderty (parents Alexander MacGregor and Mary Grant)
William Sands, b. ca. 1816, m. 1837, Clerkenwell, d. 1863, St. Luke's
Jesse Thorogood, b. ca. 1751, m. 1777, Shalford, d. 1826, Shalford
Caroline Winch, b. ca. 1829, m. 1855, Uxbridge, d. 1904, Chelmsford
William Cartwright, d. 1910, Wigston

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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #19 on: Monday 30 April 18 11:39 BST (UK) »
Yes that is the one I found. It helps if you post a reference.

There is also this one

1851 1695/401/36

Samuel Beagley   48 yrs unmarried Bricklayer b Hants Not known living in Windsor, Berks
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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #20 on: Monday 30 April 18 11:48 BST (UK) »
this looks like Samuel who married Susannah Watkins 2nd marriage

Marriage 19 may 1850St Johns Lambeth
Samuel Beagley WIDOWER Bricklayer full age Waterloo Rd father THOMAS Beagley occ Bricklayer
Tammerazin Lucas spinster full age Waterloo Rd father Thomas Lucas occ Custom House Officer
Witnesses William Thoas beagley & Charlotte Beagley

Marriage 31 may 1852 St Luke Chelsea
Samuel beagley BACHELOR full age Bricklayer 14 Arthur St father SAMUEL Beagley occ bricklayer
Jane Maynard widow full age 14 Arthur St fater John Barnard occ Labourer
Witnesses Francis Woodhatch? & Marie Maynard

So which is your Samuel??

Suz

My Samuel Beagley is the 1850 marriage. Did a different one die in 1864 then? Back to square 1 then  :-\

The parish had some long name. I'll just check. There is an 1859 death in Windsor but that isn't him as another man lived in Windsor with the same name.

You are certain your Samuel married in 1850 to Miss Lucas - do you have her on any census??
If this is sso then I think your Samuel in 1851 is this one
Samuel Beagley Lodger Married 45 bricklayer Farringdon (in household of John Higgs) giving birth c. 1806

1851 Huddlestone Buildings  Windsor berks
Samuel Beagley Head Unmarried 48 bricklayer NK Hants
next door Jane Maynard widow 50 Charwoman Bagshot Surrey
Thomas Maynard son U 16 G lab Bagshot Surrey
this looks like the Samuel who married 1852 -living next door to his bride to be

but on census Jane when married to Samuel gives different age and p.o.b.
Very puzzling - can't be sure which Samuel died in 1864????

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #21 on: Monday 30 April 18 11:56 BST (UK) »
Samuel's wife of 1850 is living alone while he is boarding away on the 1851 Census, though I can't remember where. I didn't save the record as she's not an ancestor - I'm descended from his first wife.

As for the death, it is very confusing. Lots of bricklayers named Samuel Beagley it seems.
Dead-end ancestors:

Morris Lipman, b. ca. 1828, m. 1844, City of London, d. 1865, City of London
Simon McGrigor/McGregor/MacGregor, b. ca. 1789, m. 1811, Fodderty, d. 1859, Fodderty (parents Alexander MacGregor and Mary Grant)
William Sands, b. ca. 1816, m. 1837, Clerkenwell, d. 1863, St. Luke's
Jesse Thorogood, b. ca. 1751, m. 1777, Shalford, d. 1826, Shalford
Caroline Winch, b. ca. 1829, m. 1855, Uxbridge, d. 1904, Chelmsford
William Cartwright, d. 1910, Wigston

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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #22 on: Monday 30 April 18 12:50 BST (UK) »
Is this is the wife, even though she is not related to your family but presumably the children are part of your family.

N B her place of birth has been transcribed as Frensham, Kent but the census reads more like Feversham/Faversham as the 1861 census
1851 1474/443/47

Sammann Beagley 28 yrs wife b F*sham, Kent
George Beagley   19 yrs
Saml Beagley   16 yrs
Thomas Beagley 11yrs
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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #23 on: Monday 30 April 18 13:09 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has a poor law removal order for the widow of Samuel Beagley in 1866 Bethnal Green

This is for Tammy Beagley and gives details of her marriage to Samuel and some detail re her father. The address is the same as 1861 census.

It is safe to assume, I would say that the death is him.
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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #24 on: Monday 30 April 18 13:31 BST (UK) »
Yes, that is the correct reference for Sammerazin Beagley (formerly Lucas). My ancestor had married in Hampshire - the same village her father was from - in 1848.
Dead-end ancestors:

Morris Lipman, b. ca. 1828, m. 1844, City of London, d. 1865, City of London
Simon McGrigor/McGregor/MacGregor, b. ca. 1789, m. 1811, Fodderty, d. 1859, Fodderty (parents Alexander MacGregor and Mary Grant)
William Sands, b. ca. 1816, m. 1837, Clerkenwell, d. 1863, St. Luke's
Jesse Thorogood, b. ca. 1751, m. 1777, Shalford, d. 1826, Shalford
Caroline Winch, b. ca. 1829, m. 1855, Uxbridge, d. 1904, Chelmsford
William Cartwright, d. 1910, Wigston

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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #25 on: Monday 30 April 18 13:35 BST (UK) »
I think it is solved now  :-\

Sammerazin/Tammerazin
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Re: Ancestors who went missing (????)
« Reply #26 on: Monday 30 April 18 13:45 BST (UK) »
Just to hopefully solve the other couple,
Jane Beagley is still in Windsor as a widow in 1861 760/83/32
And there is a death for Samuel Bagley 55 yrs in 1859 in Windsor.

What do you think Adam?
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