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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 10 May 18 12:11 BST (UK) »
While Richard and Roseanna Champion did not have children, Richard and his first wife Ann Grigson Champion had several.
1865/15499   Champion   George Edward   Ann   Richard   
1866/21751   Champion   James Richard   Ann   Richard   
1870/31877   Champion   Charles   Ann   Richard   -   
1872/33085   Champion   George Thomas   Ann   Richard   -   
1874/21195   Champion   Mary Maria   Ann   Richard   -   
1876/9422   Champion   Esther   Ann   Richard

Had you thought of tracking some of the descendants of these and seeing if the wider family has more knowledge. The oldest would have been about 15/16 years old and so Roseanna would have been in their lives as a 'hands on' step mother for some time. Have you worked out the length of time between the arrival in NZ at Port Chalmers around 3 April 1880 (Assuming 22/1/1880 is the date they left London)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18800403.2.45?end_date=31-12-1889&phrase=2&query=roseanna+gain&start_date=01-01-1839

and the date they were married in 1880.  I am not sure how yet but you can work out the date by looking at the registration number of 1880/2456.   

If it is only a short time then perhaps they were known to each other, or the families were, or she was employed as a governess and 'gradually got married'.

Richard born 1838 in Ewelme Oxordshire and first wife Ann born Raydon Suffolk.



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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 10 May 18 23:18 BST (UK) »
Date of marriage for Richard Champion was 17.7.1880.


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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #29 on: Friday 11 May 18 00:01 BST (UK) »

 .... Roseanna and Richard Champion

   .... I think you may need to get the marriage certificate. As long as the marriage took place after 17 ? January when the 1880 act came into force you should find quite a lot of information about parents and place of birth etc.

Hi shanreagh

Just wanted to point out that although the "act" you speak of above, was passed in the year 1880, the additional details collected for marriages in New Zealand, did not come into force until  October 1880.

NZ BDM have now clarified this fact on their website >

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/timeline

So, only marriages which took place from October 1880, will have the additional information.
[The marriage of Roseanna GAIN and Richard CHAMPION had taken place July 1880 prior to the act coming into effect. ]

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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #30 on: Friday 11 May 18 03:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks Lu. I did go by the BDM website and am glad they are clarifying it.  As my  nephew used to say when he was a little nephew
'oh poo'

However even the earlier one might have some interesting info eg under condition if this is a spinster marrying. 

Bride and Groom

When and where married
Name and Surname
Age
Rank or profession
Condition
Name of officiating minister (or Registrar)
When registered
Signatures

Signatures of bride and groom
Signatures of the witnesses
Signature of officiating minister (or registrar)

1851 UK census
Fanny Gane   Head   F   15   Farleigh, Wiltshire
Ellen Gane   Sister   F   12   Farleigh, Wiltshire
Eliza Gane   Sister   F   10   Farleigh, Wiltshire
Rosanna Gane   Sister   F   6   Bradford, Wiltshire

1861 UK census
William Gane   Head   M   57   Monkton Farleigh, Wiltshire
Eliza Gane   Daughter   F   19   Monkton Farleigh, Wiltshire
Rosana Gane   Daughter   F   16   Bradford, Wiltshire

father not there in the ear;lier census but is in later census.

he dies in 1874.
Name   William Gane
Event Type   Death
Registration Quarter   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year   1874
Registration District   Bradford On Avon
County   Wiltshire
Event Place   Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire, England
Age (available after 1866)   70
Birth Year (Estimated)   1804

Only putting this up as the family has and Eliza and a Rose and a reason (Father's death) why they would be emigrating later in life. 


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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 12 May 18 03:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks Minniehaha, Lu and Shanreagh for your postings.
Roseanna arrived in April and married Richard in July 1880 - so barely in NZ 3 months!
Thanks for the UK census info.  I will see what I can find in the 1871 census.
I have requested a copy of the m/c of Elizabeth Gain who married Joseph Page in 1889, so this hopefully will provide information that I can use as a finding aid for info about Roseanna.
I have found some Public Family Trees on Ancestry but as a general comment I am a little weary about some of this info, being able to contact the authors and have them respond (another story and not for here).
Wendy

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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 12 May 18 05:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Wendy

.. sending you a PM (personal message re:  GAIN).

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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 12 May 18 06:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Minniehaha, Lu and Shanreagh for your postings.
Roseanna arrived in April and married Richard in July 1880 - so barely in NZ 3 months!
Thanks for the UK census info.  I will see what I can find in the 1871 census.
I have requested a copy of the m/c of Elizabeth Gain who married Joseph Page in 1889, so this hopefully will provide information that I can use as a finding aid for info about Roseanna.
I have found some Public Family Trees on Ancestry but as a general comment I am a little weary about some of this info, being able to contact the authors and have them respond (another story and not for here).
Wendy

The short length of time leads me to think that the families may have known each other or   perhaps were known as people who would be suitable as tutors or home helpers.

Good move to get the later marriage certificate.

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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 12 May 18 06:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks Lu - I have replied to your PM.
Suggestions/advice very much appreciated.
Wendy

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Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 12 May 18 08:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks Lu - I have replied to your PM.
Suggestions/advice very much appreciated.
Wendy

Reply received thanks Wendy. 

Do keep us updated with your findings.   ;)

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