Author Topic: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland  (Read 1602 times)

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:49 BST (UK) »
Ah okay it looks like Durham is probably correct then if that's what comes up in the 1861 too. I think you've just found my first English ancestor!  ;D

I'm intrigued by 'dissenter' haven't seen that on any records before...
I have a visual impairment which makes research difficult to please forgive any silly questions :)
Hutchison - Midlothian
Dow & Gray - Ayrshire
McQuillan - Ballymena /  Donegal
Reilly - Cavan / Cork

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:52 BST (UK) »
" Dissenter " refers to their religion. Other than COE.
GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 03 May 18 18:41 BST (UK) »
Hi well you live and learn!

James Marshall the Dissenter and Jane also had baptised in Cornhill:-
William 6th June 1796
Jane 6th December 1797
James 30th July 1799
Think James 1799 also marries an Isabella possibly nee SWAN b Scotland If my memory serves me well!
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Just realised Nicked a phrase from a Bob Dylan lyric!

PS James 1799, was a Blacksmith so the likelyhood of a Gypsy heritage lies with the Hutchison family!
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #21 on: Friday 04 May 18 14:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the details, got them all on my family tree now  :) a nice surprise as it was looking like that side of the family never left the same area of Scotland for hundreds of years so we've got a bit of variety now with Durham! (also - it's hard not to quote from Bob Dylan - he has so many good lines  ;D )

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" Dissenter " refers to their religion. Other than COE

Interesting, I didn't know that. Been reading an article about the English Dissenters, one of the things I like about genealogy is all the little bits of history you learn along the way.

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PS James 1799, was a Blacksmith so the likelyhood of a Gypsy heritage lies with the Hutchison family!

Yepp, I've come across a few possible candidates for Mary Hutchison's father, it's just Mary is quite a common name so I can't determine which is the right one - and this is me assuming that they'd be from Midlothian and that Mary's birth year is correct when it's really just an estimate.  ???

I have a visual impairment which makes research difficult to please forgive any silly questions :)
Hutchison - Midlothian
Dow & Gray - Ayrshire
McQuillan - Ballymena /  Donegal
Reilly - Cavan / Cork

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #22 on: Friday 04 May 18 19:27 BST (UK) »
Hi again, this family has me confused, and Ancestry is playing up, this is Mary Heywood in 1851 census:-

Mary Heywood 48 Widow b Edinburgh
Agnes 18
Thomas 15
John Balfour 12
Agnes Deas/Deans 7
Residing at Weavers Close, 6, Semple Street
1861 census
Maryann Heywood 55
Agnes Deans 18 b Glasgow
Mary McCall 5
Residing at Weavers Land
1871 census Fountain Bridge:-
John Glasgow 51
Agnes 38
Mary McCall 16

John Glasgow and Agnes are in Semple Street in 1861 census

I have an 1891 census for Agnes Glasgow aged 56 Widow, with Isabella Heywood 24 ? and Mary A Heywood 22 ?shown as Nieces
Where in 1881?
Their must be two Heywood/Haywood families, as in 1901 census an Agnes Glasgow 67 has a Niece Mary Haywood 32  with her ie born c 1869?

OK they are the daughters of her brother Thomas aged 36 occ Engine Driver with wife Elizabeth 27 and within household a Grace Dickson 67 shown as Mother in Law in 1871 census.







PS the "Dylan lyric" was a variation of that on This Wheels on fire by The Band.




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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #23 on: Friday 04 May 18 21:18 BST (UK) »
..... one of the things I like about genealogy is all the little bits of history you learn along the way.

 :) Funny ye should say that. As I said, only last night, Here:


There's so much more, to Family History than copy / paste ancient pedigrees. I think we've just proven that!  8)


I'm a swine for the DC's. I just Have To know how they finally died! It's interesting and part of the whole picture. Our people were so much more than just a litany of names, even it it does stretch back to 1066  ;)


GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #24 on: Friday 04 May 18 23:08 BST (UK) »
What was a "Dissenter" in 1801 Durham /Northumberland anyone!
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I have Northumberland Presbyterians and Baptists in my tree from a little earlier than that.  They'd have been considered to be dissenters.  Some moved to Scotland and I can't find any parish records for some of them, who presumably were still Baptists. 

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 05 May 18 19:39 BST (UK) »
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OK they are the daughters of her brother Thomas aged 36 occ Engine Driver with wife Elizabeth 27 and within household a Grace Dickson 67 shown as Mother in Law in 1871 census.

You sussed it out! I vaguely remember coming across those records a while back and just getting horribly confused, couldn't make head nor tail of it. Now I know :)
I have a visual impairment which makes research difficult to please forgive any silly questions :)
Hutchison - Midlothian
Dow & Gray - Ayrshire
McQuillan - Ballymena /  Donegal
Reilly - Cavan / Cork

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 05 May 18 19:55 BST (UK) »
 :) Wondering just who the parents are and the reason Mary (Ann ) Heywood has young children in her household who appear to stay with either her or become a Servant for her married daughter Agnes?
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