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William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« on: Tuesday 01 May 18 23:42 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find information on my 4Th gt grandfather William Malcolm born around 1801-1802 -Died 1852 Manchester UK was Buried in Rusholme Road cemetery (no longer existing).

The information i have is:
According to the 1841 census he was born 1801 and from Ireland (no record of birth) his spouse was a Seprina "Malcolm" past married name Seprina Oldfield (John oldfield deceased husband) birth name Seprina Taylor But (no record of marriage with William) the census says she is from Ireland but she was born in Debingshire wales.
they lived at 49 Hardman street Manchester in 1841

They had 3 children William Henry Malcolm.1835 (my 3 gt grandfather) Sarah Ann Malcolm 1837, George federick Malcolm 1838  All born in Manchester.   
In 1851 Census it shows William is living with his son William Henry in a slum house in Manchester. and stats widowed.
I have no clue where William was born or when baptised any Info or help would be appreciated  :).

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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 06:13 BST (UK) »
Do you have a reference for the census records? I am having trouble seeing any Malcolm living in Manchester in 1851.
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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 08:22 BST (UK) »
William was a Coachman
Baptism: 4 Jun 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
 Sarah Ann Seprina Malcolm - Daughter of William Malcolm & Seprina
     Abode: Manchr
     Occupation: Coachman
     Baptised by: W. W. Johnson
     Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 395, Entry 3159
     Source: LDS Film 1545611

Baptism: 4 Jun 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
 William Henry Malcolm - Son of William Malcolm & Seprina
     Abode: Manchr
     Occupation: Coachman
     Notes: aged 3 years
     Baptised by: W. W. Johnson
     Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 395, Entry 3158
     Source: LDS Film 1545611

no baptism for George ?? on this site
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 08:26 BST (UK) »
Possible burial for Sarah in Rusholme ??
Grave 1722 - do you know the grave number of William ??

Burial: 19 Feb 1843 Rusholme Rd Cemetery, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Lancashire, England
 Sarah A. Malcolm -
     Age: 6yrs
     Abode: Manchester
     Grave: 1722
     Cause of Death: Fever
     Buried by: H H Jones
     Register: Burials 1835 - 1845, Entry 36322
     Source: Private Transcription

no record of William burial in 1852 on that site
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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 08:29 BST (UK) »
Seprina at the same address as you have for 1841 for the family

The 1851 for 49 Hardman Street has
Seprina Oldfield - Widow - age 48-Lodging house keeper born Wales
sons
John 28 bn Wales
Frederick 13 bn Manchester.

In case it helps find William Senior earlier
1841 has William Senior bn Ireland and Sebrina (Housekeeper) not bn in County (Lancashire)
H107/569 bk 2 f7 p8
John Oldfield 15 not bn in County (Lancashire)
Richard Oldfield 15 not bn in County
William Oldfield 10 not bn in County
Henry Oldfield 7 born in Ireland
Sarah Malcolm 5 bn in County (Lancashire)
Frederick Malcolm 3 bn in County
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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 12:53 BST (UK) »
Hi the grave number i have is 6300 for william BR Charlie

Possible burial for Sarah in Rusholme ??
Grave 1722 - do you know the grave number of William ??

Burial: 19 Feb 1843 Rusholme Rd Cemetery, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Lancashire, England
 Sarah A. Malcolm -
     Age: 6yrs
     Abode: Manchester
     Grave: 1722
     Cause of Death: Fever
     Buried by: H H Jones
     Register: Burials 1835 - 1845, Entry 36322
     Source: Private Transcription

no record of William burial in 1852 on that site

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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 13:22 BST (UK) »
Hi, this is what i have from Ancestry: est birth year:abt 1834, Relation: son, Fathers Name: William Malcolm, Gender: Male, Where born: Manchester Lancashire England, Civil parish: Manchester, Ecclesiastical parish: st John, Phillimore ecclesiastical parish: 4855, Town: Manchester, County: Lancashire, District: Manchester, Sub-District: Deansgate, ED: 01d, Household schedule n0: 126, piece 2227, Folio 100, page n0: 30   

Do you have a reference for the census records? I am having trouble seeing any Malcolm living in Manchester in 1851.

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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 18:19 BST (UK) »
The 1851 census has William Malcolm as a Widow age 42 born Manchester - living 1 Austin's Court
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Re: William Malcolm abt.1802-abt.1852 Manchester Lancashire
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 June 18 02:43 BST (UK) »
Hello great genealogy wise people :-) I wrote a similar request a few months ago about my 6th gt grandfather William Malcolm born abt 1801. I had some good replies and gave me some help however I was new on this site and details may have been a bit vague so i try again :-D

I am looking for any details of William Malcolm according to the 1841 census he lived with his wife Seprina Malcolm (born Seprina Taylor 1800 in Halkyn, Flintshire, Wales.) Right of Hardman Street, Manchester. Seprina was married to a John Oldfield (from Wales) in 1822 that died in Manchester 1833. and from that marriage was children: John, Richard, Henry, William Oldfield. William Malcolm and Seprina had also children together : Frederick (possible george frederick he borderd at his brothers william henry`s future wifes family home in 1861), Sarah, and William Henry Malcolm bn 1835. Seprina was a domestic servant and William was a coachman.

There are records of that Seprina living at the same address untill death in 1859. She was buried under the name of Seprina Oldfield and not Malcolm.
According to the 1841 census it appears the Census taker made little "sloppy and lazy" mistakes that made this search difficult and details sketchy. E.G the census taker wrote Leprina not Seprina and wrote that Seprina and William aswell as the Oldfield children was born in Ireland (we have evidence that the Oldfields were Welsh apart from Willam his birth blace at this moment unknown).

Well i Searched for a William Malcolm 1801 and I can not seem to find his birth, a wedding certificate to seprina also i dont know where is he really from. He seems to apear from nowhere.... what happend to him? where did he go? why Seprina was burried under the name of Oldfield?

Also i noticed on the march 30th 1851 census William lived with his son william henry Malcolm at 1 Austin court Manchester. 

Any help would be appreiciate and thank you for your time. BR Charlie   

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