Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones

[designhall1]

Jonathan or John Jones spouse Mary J Griffiths (Have seen this spelt Griffithe) Daughter Iris. No other siblings. John had 2 sisters Gladys or Gwladys and Sarah. Try to find Johns parents too. All lived in Merthyr Tydfill.

[rosie99]

Do you have years and places of birth for them 

[designhall1]

Just had a little breakthrough - found census 1911. Jonathan carpenter was 22. Found father John Evan Jones b.1844, coal miner and mother Ann b.1846. There were 8 children. Need to find 5 more as I have Gladys and Sarah. John Evan Jones parents are next to find.

[designhall1]

Struggling with John Evan Jones and Ann's parents but have all the info on the children now. If anyone can try and find out anything about Jonathan's wife Mary J Griffiths mother of Iris my grandmother, that would be great. Sounds easy only my great grandma, but it is not.

[rosie99]

Struggling with John Evan Jones and Ann's parents

What information does the marriage certificate give about their fathers.

If anyone can try and find out anything about Jonathan's wife Mary J Griffiths mother of Iris my grandmother, that would be great.

What does their marriage certificate say about their fathers

To enable anyone to help with surnames like Jones in Wales they will need more information as to places and dates of both  births & marriages.

Hopefully with this extra information someone will be able to help.

[osprey]

Do you have the marriage certificate for Jonathan & Mary J Griffiths to confirm names & occupations of fathers? Without that info, it's just guessing. When & where was Mary J born?

Working back through the census years for the family of John Evan Jones and Ann gives 8 children -Thomas, Robert, Mary, Evan, Margaret Ann, Catherine, Hannah & Jonathan - no Gladys or Sarah. Checking the birth registrations shows mother's maiden of Davies
Jonathan Jones dec qtr 1888 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 506 mmn Davies. Several possible marriages with John Jones & Ann Davies on the same page before the birth of first child Thomas about 1869.

Several John Jones of around the right age born Llanfynydd which is given as his place of birth on one census. There's this possible in Merthyr Tydfil in 1851
Castle St, HO107/2458 folio 295 pg 4
Mary Jones head widow 46 householder b. Carms, Llanarthe
Thomas son 17 coal haulier b. Carms, Llanfynydd
David son 15 general labourer b. Llanfynydd
John son 7 at home b. Llanfynydd

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[designhall1]

8 children is correct - see 1911 Wales census. Show Jonathan's and parents ages and occupation. He was the youngest so all the siblings had left home. My Aunt has not got Gladys or Sarah right. I have found a Gladys elsewhere which might explain this. She is a daughter of Mary Jones, Jonathans older sister. Gladys would have been Jonathan's cousin and 3 years older. Sally could have quite easily been a nickname or someone else so not worrying about this. No birth or death date found for Mary J Griffiths. Frustrating.

[designhall1]

The 1911 census then confirms Jonathan's birthdate of 1889 as he was 22 (carpenter). So anything on his father (coal miner) or Mary would be super.

[osprey]

You need to buy a copy of the marriage cert for Jonathan & Mary J

Jonathan Jones  to Mary J Griffiths march qtr 1918 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 1056 

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https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

There is no point in guessing which of the Mary J Griffiths on the census might be the right one. We need clues - age, father's name & occupation should help.

I've already given you a possible for John from the 1851 census. I've found what seems to be the same family in Llanfynydd, Carms in 1841, father being Evan.
Baptisms for the children all in Llanfynydd
Thomas 6 April 1834 son of Evan & Mary Cwmcelly fawr
David 10 Nov 1836 son of Evan & Mary Cwmcelly fawr
John  2 June 1844 son of Evan & Mary Pencaemawr
Possible burial for Evan age 40 30 March 1847 of Abersannan Mill
But you need certificates to confirm names.