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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 05 May 18 13:19 BST (UK) »
Yes exactly. I think we might have got it this time. Doesn't help with Jonathan's wife Mary and her family details.

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 05 May 18 13:38 BST (UK) »
Added these details and another son popped up, David 1897 and a marriage date of 1888. Starting to make sense now. Will see where it takes me.

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 06 May 18 15:21 BST (UK) »
Just adding link to other post for additional background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792471.54

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 06 May 18 16:07 BST (UK) »
Made some good progress today on the Jones' Have got to Thomas Jones 1801-1875. Cant find his parents but he married Sarah Frost 1803-1877

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #22 on: Friday 11 May 18 10:40 BST (UK) »
Ok marriage certificate has arrived. Married 10 Jan 1918. Jonathan's father was John Evan Jones. Says John Evan deceased so he would have died between 1911 and 1918. No mother on the form however the 1911 census has Ann on there that matches up. Where was that "joiner" fact you mentioned as occupation for Jonathan? Can you send me the link. Jonathan's wife was Mary Jane Griffiths. Father William Henry. No mother on form but witness was a C Griffiths so this might be her. Scraps to go on  but it might be enough to get somewhere. :)

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #23 on: Friday 11 May 18 10:49 BST (UK) »
Iv'e got the "Joiner" fact, sorry. Was on that 1939 register.....

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #24 on: Friday 11 May 18 20:42 BST (UK) »
Please could you give other useful info from the marriage certificate. Ages of bride and groom and their addresses. Names of the witnesses. No reason to think that the mother would be a witness, more likely a sibling.

Possible for Mary Jane from 1901
26 Church St, Penydarren RG13/5030 folio 84 pg 21
William H Griffiths head mar 37 coal miner hewer
Elizabeth wife 34
Wyndham son 7
Mary J dau 5
Annie dau 3
all born Merthyr Tydfil, all speak both Welsh & English.

Same family in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXW-LRM
so the C Griffiths could be older sister Ceridwen

1901 she was helpfully with her grandparents

1901 10 Plantation St RG13/5030 folio 141 pg 7
Thomas Davies head mar 57 coal miner b. Pembroke, S????
Mary wife 57 b. Glam, Morristown
Sarah dau 19 dressmaker b. Penydarren
Ceridwen Griffiths grand daughter 9 b. Penydarren
In other years, place of birth for Thomas shows as Blackmoor Hill or Narberth.

Likely birth reg for Mary Jane Griffiths sep qtr 1895 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 719 mother's maiden name Davies
marriage reg William Henry Griffiths march qtr 1890 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 708 with Elizabeth Davies on the same page

William Henry's family in 1871
77 Church St RG10/5400 folio 75 pg 21
Wyndham Griffiths head mar 39 ironstone miner b. Glam, Aberavon
Ann wife 33 b. Carms, Llandovery
Mary A dau 12
William H son 7
James son 3
Edmund son 1
children all born Merthyr Tydfil
birth reg William Henry Griffiths june qtr 1863 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 380 mmn Dawkins
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #25 on: Friday 11 May 18 21:24 BST (UK) »
if that proves to be the correct William Henry, report of his father's death here "Fatal Accident"

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4344437/4344443/51/

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for 1901 Wales Census - Jones
« Reply #26 on: Friday 11 May 18 22:09 BST (UK) »
Iv'e got the "Joiner" fact, sorry. Was on that 1939 register.....

Yes it was. From the other post you have:

That is great. Ancestry has just added today the 1939 Register to their databases. Previously it was only available via subs on Findmypast.

See https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61596

Maurice shows as Maurice H Herbert in 1939, living in Cambridge. The entry following this I think might be Iris but it is blanked out. Have a read through the details of the register to understand better why some entries show as redacted (including the 100yr rule if it not confirmed that the person has died).

What made me happy was that I think we do have the correct Jonathan and Mary Jane as her parents. You will confirm at least father's name from the marriage cert you are waiting for. I can see a Jonathan and Mary J Jones in Willesden. This is where Iris married Maurice in 1939. Jonathan's occupation is that of a Joiner and his birth date is in 1888 which is what we saw in the censuses we have so far for him with his family. Let's also see if we have an address match from the marriage cert and the 1939 register.

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