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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 22:36 BST (UK) »
This could be complicated. Could it be the same man and he's told a few untruths on his second marriage? Here are the two signatures from his certificates, they look very similar to me.
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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 22:54 BST (UK) »
This could be Ethel's death, right age

Deaths Dec 1908 
BUCKLE    Ethel    26   
Hunslet    9b   101
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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 03 May 18 00:44 BST (UK) »
Yes that's Ethel's death,

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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 03 May 18 08:43 BST (UK) »
In your other topic you are looking at George P Buckle born 1907 , son of Thomas William. There is a WW1 service record for Thomas William Buckle born 1884 which gives his wife as Harriet Collins and lists children George Percival 1907 and Evline born 1910. It mentions a marriage in Leeds 08.12.09. It seems to be the same Thomas William Buckle.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792817.msg6490616#msg6490616

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If he was born in 1884 and married in 1900 he would have been 16 at time of marriage. Is that likely?

Also, in 1891 he'd be 7 and yet he isn't with mother Emma and George Hawkshaw.

I wonder if Emma's birth name is Buckle, Thomas was illigitimate and she claims to be a widow to save face while living with George.

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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 03 May 18 08:59 BST (UK) »
I think the simple answer is that Thomas possible was born illegitimately in 1878 as shown on his first marriage. When he married Harriet in 1909, she was only 21 and he would have been 31, so he knocked a few years off to make it seem better. It seems too much of a coincidence that two Thomas William Buckles had a deceased father with the same profession - tailor. It could be he forgot what name he gave on the first certificate!

So it seems that the first two marriages are the same man. Do you have the certificate for the third marriage?
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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 03 May 18 09:05 BST (UK) »
On the 1911, his year of birth is 1883. It just keeps changing.  ;)

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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 03 May 18 09:14 BST (UK) »
Could this be his death, different year again?

June 1938

Thomas W Buckle.  53
Leeds North
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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 May 18 13:24 BST (UK) »
There is a burial record for a Thomas William Buckle buried with an Emma at Holbeck Leeds cemetery.
Cemetery   Holbeck Cemetery
Burial Entry   24407
Surname   BUCKLE
Forename(s)   Thomas William
Abode   
Abode (Number)   166
Abode (Street)   Wellington Street
Abode (Place)   Leeds
Description   Dart Board Maker
Age (Years)   53
Birth (Year)   1885
Burial (Year)   1938
Burial (Month)   April
Burial (Day)   7
Grave Number   947
Grave Type   General
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Re: Thomas William Buckle
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:07 BST (UK) »
1936 electoral register for that couple

Thomas William Buckle
Emma Buckle
Caravan, No-go-Byes
abode: 166, Wellington Street, Leeds.

Emma is still alive in 1939 at the same address, with two young daughters, both who are presumably deceased as they are named, and one closed record.

On the army records of Thomas William Buckle in 1917, he gives his address as 192 Wellington Street, Leeds. So, unless there are two men of the same name and similar ages living near each other, I would guess the answer to the original question is, Yes, it is the same man marrying three times. You would need to buy the third certificate to confirm this - the first two are on Ancestry.
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