Ellen Riley, of Preston, Lancashire, 1856 and 1861

[oldohiohome]

On May 23, 1856, Ellen Riley of Mt Pleasant St, Preston, Lancashire, was the informant on the death record of Jane Carrigan, widow of James Carrigan. Jane was age 44, and also of Mt Pleasant St.

I am looking for the parents, maiden name, etc of Ellen Riley. I am fairly sure that Jane Carrigan was my wife's ggg grandmother, nee Gleason. Was Ellen Riley Jane's sister or a relative?

Ellen's 1861 household seems to be this one:

1861 Census of England, Parish: Preston
Municipal Borough: Preston Municipal Ward: St Georges
Parlamentary borough: Preston
Ecclesiastical district: St Georges
Registrar's district: Preston Union
Registration district: Preston
Town of Preston, County:   Lancashire, Country: England
Series: RG09, Piece: 3131, Enum. District: 25, Page: 23
Family: 167, Line: 1, Image: 39

on Mount Pleasant St

Ellen Riley, head, 38, widow, housekeeper, born in Ireland
Michael McCaffery, son in law, 32, married, worsted sorter, born in Ireland
Catherine McCaffery, 22, wife, spinner, born in Ireland
Patrick McCaffery, 16, boarder, worsted tenter, born in Ireland
Mary C McCaffery, 4, grand daughter, scholar, born in Preston, Lancashire
Susanna McCaffery, 9m? , grand daughter, infant, born in Preston, Lancashire
Margaret McGrath, 39, single, boarder, worsted weaver, born in Ireland
Edward Rigby, 23, boarder, married, worsted weaver, born in Leyland, Lancashire
Bridget Rigby, 28, married, cotton weaver, born in Ireland

---
Jane (Gleason) Carrigan's son James' household in 1861 is this one:

1861 Census of Lancashire, England
Civil Parish of Preston, Town of Preston
Registration and sub-registration district of Preston
Ecclesiastical Parish of St. George
ED 25, household 183, piece 3131, folio 25, page 44

Street: Mount Pleasant

James Carrigan, 23, head, married, piecer, born in Ireland
Betsey Carrigan, 21, wife, married, housewife, born in Ireland
Catherine Carrigan, 5, daughter, scholar, born in Preston, Lancashire
Margaret Carrigan, 2mo, daughter, infant, born in Preston, Lancashire

same house:
Dennis Carrigan, 18, boarder, single 18, piecer, born in Ireland
May or Mary Carrigan, 20, single, worsted weaver, born in Ireland

same house: Patrick Muney, wife Ann, daughter Mary. also Margaret Dean, son William

Bonus points to anyone who knows how Dennis and Mary Carrigan are related to James, if they are. James and his family are in Boston, Massachusetts by 1865, but I have not found Dennis or Mary in Boston.

[PaulineJ]

Looking at susanna.
MCCAFFREY, SUSANNA       LILLY     
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in PRESTON  Volume 08E  Page 448
MCCAFFREY, MARY  ELLEN     LILLY    
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in PRESTON  Volume 08E  Page 453

[oldohiohome]

Lilly would then be the maiden name of Catherine McCaffery, daughter of Ellen Riley and wife of Michael, both in Ellen's household. Which means "Lilly" could be a poor transcription of Riley, or else Ellen was married to a Mr Lilly before she married a Mr Riley.
If I have it straight, that is.

[lancsann]

Michael MCaffery married Catherine Lilly in Preston in 1855

[oldohiohome]

Thank you. That explains the mother's maiden name of Lilly on Susanna and Mary Ellen McCaffrey's birth records, as posted by PaulineJ.

Would an English marriage record of that era give the woman's maiden name if it was her second marriage?

I'm asking because now I will be looking for an Ellen, unknown maiden name, marrying a Mr Lilly, presumably in Ireland, since her daughter Catherine was born there. Then she, as Mrs Ellen Lilly, marries a Mr McCaffery. If she married McCaffery in England, and the record gave her maiden name, I would find it out that way.

[oldohiohome]

on freeBMD I found an Ellen Lilly marrying in the 2nd qtr of 1848 to either Joseph Blanchard or James Collins:

Marriages Jun Quarter 1848
Blanchard    Joseph    Preston     21   450
Collins    James         Preston    21   450   
Lilly    Ellen         Preston    21   450
SMITH    Ann         Preston    21   450

but no Ellen Blanchard marriages from Mar 1848 to Dec 1856
and no Ellen Collins from Mar 1848 to Dec 1856

[CaroleW]

on freeBMD I found an Ellen Lilly marrying in the 2nd qtr of 1848 to either Joseph Blanchard or James Collins:

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk shows it was James Collins

[CaroleW]

Would an English marriage record of that era give the woman's maiden name if it was her second marriage?

I'm asking because now I will be looking for an Ellen, unknown maiden name, marrying a Mr Lilly, presumably in Ireland, since her daughter Catherine was born there. Then she, as Mrs Ellen Lilly, marries a Mr McCaffery. If she married McCaffery in England, and the record gave her maiden name, I would find it out that way.

I think you are a bit confused here.  It was Catherine Lilly who married Michael McCafferey - not Ellen Riley

Ellen is shown as Riley and if her age in 1861 is to be believed - and assuming she was definitely Catherine's mother - she was only about 16 when she gave birth and Catherine may have been illegitimate

If so - you are looking for a Lilly/Riley marriage in Ireland

was the informant on the death record of Jane Carrigan, widow of James Carrigan. Jane was age 44,

The 1861 entry you quote is for a James & Betsey Carrigan so how do they link to Jane?

Anybody could report a death - why do you think they could be related?



 

[Maiden Stone]

Another possibility is that Ellen Riley was stepmother to Michael McCaffery. Son-in-law could also mean step-son.