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Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« on: Friday 04 May 18 07:18 BST (UK) »
My GGG Grandmother Phebe Burgess was born 26.5.1797 at Thatcham, her Mother was Hannah.  She was christened at Thatcham on the 18th June, 1797.    This is all the information we have on her parentage.   

She later married Henry Rufey in 1819 and died on the 14th December, 1866 at Shaw cum Donnington, buried at St. Marys Church.

I am looking for any more assistance, to connect with the rest of her family members.

Thanking you.  Jan
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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 May 18 11:52 BST (UK) »
Possible Marriage;
Hannah BURGESS to John WITHERS 1801 Thatcham (no exact date on Familysearch.Org)

1841 Census
Thatcham, Berks
John Withers, 30, Gardener (Image is age 80)
Hannah Withers, 80
Both born in County


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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 May 18 12:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks Trish, I will look into that.   Got to start somewhere.
Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 May 18 12:40 BST (UK) »
I haven't had any luck so far, maybe I need someone who has access to Parish records that maybe could assist me.   Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 May 18 14:39 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Just to complete the entry supplied by trish;

11-3-1801 Hannah Burgess  - m - John Withers (widower) Thatcham St.Mary

Berks Mar. Index (ex BFHS)

Alan
Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
Artis, Gray in Norfolk

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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 May 18 22:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you Ribbo, I wonder if Hannah had more children after her marriage.
Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 May 18 23:56 BST (UK) »
Am thinking now that we know John Withers was a widower at the time of his marriage to Phebe Burgess, have found a marriage for John Withers on the 13.8.1792 at Thatcham to Hannah Woodingdon.   So just need to find some Parish Records to verify any children from this marriage, and any subsequent children to Hannah Burgess.   It would seem that maybe Phebe Burgess was born out of wedlock.   Still trying to find birth records for Hannah Burgess as well.
jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 May 18 02:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan,
If you go to this site, you'll find many records taken from the IGI and I believe some that have been added since the IGI was first set up;
http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-brk.htm

Go to Berks, then T = Thatcham there are several entries for this parish and you then choose whether its births/bapts or marriages. I found some baptisms for Withers with parents John & Hannah after 1801 which would indicate they were still alive. I didn't see any for a John & Phoebe - perhaps they moved away to another parish.

The only Hannah Burgis I found was bapt. 1788 - rather young to be the mother unless she was a late baptism, which has been known to occur.

Alan

Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
Artis, Gray in Norfolk

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Re: Burgess, Phebe b. 1797 Thatcham
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 May 18 08:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that info Alan that John Withers was a Widower and previous Wife was a Hannah also.

I had found several children to John/Hannah post 1801 Marriiage but earlier children to a John/Hannah has confused me. So that sorted it all out!

Post 1801;
ELIZABETH 8 October 1801
THOMAS 26 December 1802
HANNAH 17 February 1805 (may have died 1808)
SARAH and JOHN 19 April 1807   

Death Regs GRO;
WITHERS, JOHN age 88 ***
GRO Reference: 1843  S Quarter in NEWBURY  Volume 06  Page 13

WITHERS, HANNAH age 86 ****
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in NEWBURY  Volume 06  Page 157

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