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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #9 on: Monday 07 May 18 15:08 BST (UK) »
Dear Dawn,
Sorry... I forgot to thank you for that link to the RC orphanages which I will investigate further!

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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #10 on: Monday 07 May 18 16:03 BST (UK) »
Apologies for not proof-reading my previous entry in which I typed the surname "AVELINE"! Incorrect; it should have read "ANSELINE".

Further, an image of "Vernon" located at  https://www.flickr.com/photos/41311545@N05/3824442769/in/photostream/

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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #11 on: Monday 07 May 18 16:30 BST (UK) »
He was in the Randwick Asylum until 1884:

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=74

Indexed as AUSCLIM, Everis

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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #12 on: Monday 07 May 18 18:05 BST (UK) »
OOPS, somehow I didn't see Dundee's message!

https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/keyname.aspx
searching here on "Everis" shows an "Everis Ausclim"

Now I wonder if (given that u/n are commonly mistaken for each other in handwriting) this could be a very poorly written "Anseline?  (Emily is in same index as AUSELINE)

He was in the Randwick Asylum for Destitute Children, and discharged 11/06/1884 aged 9 (before his tenth birthday?)

On Ancestry he appears to be "Everis Anselmi" (free search info only)
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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 08 May 18 00:32 BST (UK) »
I happen to be going to the NSW State Archives to day and have added those Randwick Asylum records (for Everis and Frederick) to my list.   If I get time and if they are in allowable time frame (too rushed to check) then I will photograph them for you.

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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 08 May 18 01:47 BST (UK) »
Dear Debra, Ros and Jo (?jorose),

Three cheers!
 I had a 'yippee!' moment when I read your emails this morning.
 I went to the NSW Archives site just now and found Everis Ausclim listed as you predicted. But then, on Ancestry.com, I also found the actual Admission and Discharge document for both Everis (Everest) Anselmi and his younger brother, Frederick Jules Anselmi. However, looking at the ornate 19th writing, the surname is clearly 'Anseline'.
More exciting is that the document clearly validates my theory that he ended up in the Hunter Valley because he was "...Appt to Miss Elizabeth Pearce of Hinton" on ?? 18th, 1887, aged 12, having been admitted to the Randwick Asylum, aged 9, "From Mother Mrs Mary (?Ann) Anseline of 11 ??Street, off George St, Sydney". There is an interesting note that says "...to pay 5/- for ????" There is a further written comment at the bottom which I can't decipher (Something like  'Pro to Preceding"). Oddly, however, the document has the heading '1884' at the top of the page. So, does that mean he was admitted there in 1884 and it was proposed to discharge him to Miss Pearce in 1887, or was this document written in 1887?
So, Ros, I really appreciate your offer to take a look at that document at the Archives and photograph it if you have the time!
Or, are there two documents, given the fact that the NSW State Archives document is about Jules Ausclim?
Now, I just have to determine where he was between 1877 and 1884....perhaps one of the other orphanages?
Sorry about all the questions!
Once again, many thanks!
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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 08 May 18 02:18 BST (UK) »
Dear Ros,
I have a likely correction to make:
I may have misled you about that '1884' date regarding the Randwick Asylum document.
The document was almost certainly written in 1887 (the date of '1884' was in the Ancestry.com heading above the document)...
Sorry about that.
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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 08 May 18 08:05 BST (UK) »
I stress that this is conjecture only re Miss Elizabeth PEARCE, of Hinton NSW.

Looking at Hinton Pioneer cemetery MIs, there is no-one with the name PEARCE but there is a family with surname PEARSE.

Parents: John M PEARSE, d 2 January 1907, 86
Isabella PEARSE, 3 Aug 1881, 47

Elizabeth Ann, d 29 Aug 1906, 47
Ann Agnes, d 2 Aug 1902   39      
Florence Helen, d 13 Jul 1896   23         
James MacPherson, d 19 Jul 1868   1
and    
John Howard, d 18 Dec 1904, 15, son/John J & Emily         
http://austcemindex.com/?cemid=231

There is an obit for Elizabeth PEARSE here and other mentions of her can be found in TROVE.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122702838

Funeral notice here:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122702815
Account of funeral here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/126780979

Looking at TROVE it seems that this lady was involved in 'good works' in the community so it seems possible that she is the person to whom Everist was assigned. 

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Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 08 May 18 08:47 BST (UK) »
Dear Judith,
Thank you for that intriguing conjecture....
I went back to the discharge document just now however, despite the handwriting, the second last letter in her name seems to be unequivocally a ‘c’.
Nevertheless, I guess ‘Pearse’ could have supplanted it...it’s often surprising just how distorted a name can become! (I might just check electoral rolls of the time - if they exist - and see if Everest/Everis is listed in Miss Pearse’s household).
Many thanks for the links to the obit, etc
Paul