Rule Family in Paisley

[pashak1]

I have ended up with a tangled mess trying to find my ancestors in Paisley, so I am posting for some help! My 4th great grandfather is Robert Rule, married to Agnes Bowie on May 9, 1823. I cannot find anything on Agnes Bowie, and there are two Robert Rules only a year apart in SP. I checked the marriage certificate (attached), nothing but their names, no parents, witnesses, etc. Maybe someone is familiar with the family or can point me in the right direction - please! The two Robert Rules are: #1, son of Robert Rule & Jean Bowie, born May 30, 1802. #2, son of John Rule & Margaret Stevenston, born Dec 27, 1801. One of them married Agnes Bowie, and the other married twice, to Margaret Spiers and then Helen Rankin. Even the naming pattern of their children is not helping, any assistance distinguishing which Robert Rule married Agnes Bowie is much appreciated!

[Rosinish]

Do you have Robert & Agnes on any census'?

Agnes also has variants such as Nancy/Nan among others.

Annie

[ev]

Did Robert Rule have a 2nd marriage to Margaret Russell in 1838 ?
Son William Russell Rule born 1840 ?
There's a likely family on the 1841 Census.

Kempock , Inverkip , Renfrewshire.
Robert Rule 35 baker
Margaret Rule 30
Robert Rule 15
Henry Rule 13
John Rule 10
James Rule 3
Wm Rule 9m


ev

[pashak1]

I think you may be on the right track, ev! Most of the children line up, at least. Now, do you have any idea how I can find out who this Robert Rule's parents are? The census says he was born around 1806, the two I was trying to decide between are 1802 and 1801.

[pashak1]

I am wondering if any of the church parishes had some sort of member records, similar to a census, where they listed all of their members at a given time? Due to the Scottish naming patterns, there are several people bearing the exact same name, all living in the same village at the same time, with no way to distinguish who was who. And then they got married, and all that is on their marriage record is their all-to-common names, the date, and a notation that they were members of the parish. No parents names, no witnesses.  They must have foreseen that this would become an issue! I am wondering specifically about the Paisley Middle parish (marriage in 1823). I can't go back any further in my genealogy research because I can't determine WHICH Robert Rule married WHICH Agnes Bowie! I tried to attach the record image from SP, but the site says the image is too large. If anyone has any ideas, I would really appreciate them!

[goldie61]

Is your Robert Rule in the 1841 Census?
What is his occupation? Does it tally with any of the occupations of the fathers of the Robert you have?
Does it give place of birth?
When does he die? The best case would be after 1855, as his death certificate should give the names of his parents.

I don't know how many Robert Rules you have found (presumably their baptisms), but have you checked for any of their deaths before the date yours was married? That would rule them out.
Were they all born in Paisley? This was quite a big place - and you have said 'same village' in your post, so not sure.

As to an image that is too big, you need to reduce the size of it to under 500KB  for it fit on here. I do that through my photo  program. Although as you say, there is probably nothing else on it other than their names. Some churches, well the clerks there I guess, were not helpful at all as far as the information they included in their registers!


Previous thread with image and replies merged with new thread.

[pashak1]

I don't see him or his family in the 1841 census - there is a Robert Rule, but I am not sure if it is him or not. I don't know his occupation, place of birth, or when he died. I literally only know when he got married and when his children were born, that is it. There is no other information on it. That is all I have to go on. The death records before 1823 are scarce to say the least. I REALLY wish whoever recorded the marriage would have taken one minute and wrote down the parents names. 
All 5 of his sons ended up in the US - they could have been there in 1841 for all I know. That was why I was wondering about the parish, did they ever have periodic lists of their members?

[ev]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGXH-99XT?i=292&cc=1919703

Could this be the children of Robert Rule ?
Can't find the family on the 1851 Census in Scotland 


ev