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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 09:27 BST (UK) »
Goodness! So this George Rush would be the half-brother of Elizabeth Smith/Goddard/Dudley? And what happened to Rebecca Bray indeed. Did she marry 3 times then? First to a Rush. Then to Benjamin Smith. Then to Thomas Bray. Have I followed that correctly?
Lipman family of Aldgate - ends with Lewis Lipman (d. 1871, Bethnal Green), son of John Lipman 'late of Glasgow' (1856)
McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 09:46 BST (UK) »
Looks like it. When George married on 16 Nov 1840 he said he was 23, so b abt 1817, so looks like age in newspaper a bit out. H says his father was John Rush (dead). and with witnesses William and Elizabeth Goddard it does look like close family.

Perhaps Rebecca lied about being a widow when she married Benjamin and Rush was her maiden name and George was illegitimate.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 09:52 BST (UK) »
Illegitimacy is certainly possible. Or she took on the name Rush despite never having married the John Rush who fathered George. Illegitimacy is fairly common in the Goddard extended family; my great-great-grandfather and most of his siblings were born out of wedlock, and his father had an illegitimate elder brother.
Lipman family of Aldgate - ends with Lewis Lipman (d. 1871, Bethnal Green), son of John Lipman 'late of Glasgow' (1856)
McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 11:24 BST (UK) »
1851 Chadwell has
Thomas Bray Head 45 or 48 Market Gardener, born Herefordshire
Rebecca Rush Widow 72, born Langley
piece 1773 folio 198 page 10

Seems to say both unmarried!
Something amiss with Thomas's age there, in 1861 (presuming it's the same man) he was 83. Unmarried. And born Enfield Middlesex (like William Goddard)

And like John Rush, 40, also in Chadwell in 1861!


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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 11:44 BST (UK) »
What a curious little family! The mind boggles.
Lipman family of Aldgate - ends with Lewis Lipman (d. 1871, Bethnal Green), son of John Lipman 'late of Glasgow' (1856)
McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 13:23 BST (UK) »
1851 Chadwell has
Thomas Bray Head 45 or 48 Market Gardener, born Herefordshire
Rebecca Rush Widow 72, born Langley
piece 1773 folio 198 page 10

Seems to say both unmarried!
Something amiss with Thomas's age there, in 1861 (presuming it's the same man) he was 83. Unmarried. And born Enfield Middlesex (like William Goddard)

And like John Rush, 40, also in Chadwell in 1861!

I think it looks like both digits of Thomas's age have been overwritten so not 40 something originally. Can we find deaths for either of them, Rebecca might go under any of three surnames.
Herefordshire as pob is odd. Could it have been Hertfordshire on householder's original form and enumerator mistranscribed. Rebecca's birthplace of Langley is a long way from Chadwell, practically in Herts and a very small place between Clavering and Barley. I assume Langley in Essex as all other Essex towns villages have county omitted (sloppy job!).

Just found this marriage right time frame but not John Rush but William and Sible Hedingham also a long way away.
29 Oct 1815 at Sible Hedingham William Rush and Rebecca Ardley botp, wit Susanna Ardley and William Everett. Both Williams signed, both Ardley girls made their mark


Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 13:27 BST (UK) »
There's a Rebecca Rush died 1851, Orsett. Could that be her?
Lipman family of Aldgate - ends with Lewis Lipman (d. 1871, Bethnal Green), son of John Lipman 'late of Glasgow' (1856)
McGregor family of Fodderty - ends with Alexander McGregor (b. 1765, Fodderty), son of Murdoch McGregor and Kate Stewart

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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 14:06 BST (UK) »
Rebecca Rush, buried at Chadwell St Mary, 10 August 1851.
Abode Chadwell
Age 75
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLC-96G?i=1120&cat=489356


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Re: Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 14:10 BST (UK) »
No further info from PR image except the minister was Edward H Kittol curate. So she's the Rebecca Rush in 1851 but is she the one aged 50 - 54 calling herself Rebecca Bray in 1841?

And if she married Benjamin Smith, why isn't she calling herself Rebecca Smith (if she wasn't actually married to Thomas Bray) why revert to former married name?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott