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Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:18 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I'm hoping somebody can help me unravel a bit of a puzzle. The outline is as follows:

15 March 1851 Hannah Duffield dies (date from death certificate)
30 March 1851 Hannah Duffield is listed with family on Census
14 May 1851 Hannah Duffield death is registered (date from death certificate)
18 May 1851 Hannah Duffield buried (from parish register transcripts, Edale, Derbyshire)

There is a small notation "2" on her death certificate by the date of death (I got the death cert from GRO online). I contacted the local register office but they said there was no more info to be gained from their records.

My gut feeling is 2 months is too long between death and burial. The burial and registration dates seem to "tally" (but could the burial transcript be incorrect?). Why is she listed on the census 15 days after her death (was the census taken that far in advance?). I haven't come across anything in the newspaper archives.

Over to you guys, can anybody throw light on the chronology here? I'm open to all theories or pointers. I'm very puzzled, but that's nothing new!

Many thanks in advance

Caroline


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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:24 BST (UK) »
What was the cause of death and where did she die, according to the certificate (home, or somewhere else)?  Is the coroner involved?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:28 BST (UK) »
The "2" will be a numbered correction made during registration ( being the second one in that register)  - can you post an image of the relevant parts of the certificate .... (the date of death column and the date registered column).

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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:30 BST (UK) »
She died at home, abscess on leg (not certified). I don't know how to tell if the coroner was involved.

Hannah was a child (11 years old, though her death cert says 8 years old). She had been working in a mill but on the census "Work in Factory" had been crossed out and replaced with "Nothing".


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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:31 BST (UK) »
If the coroner was involved he would be the informant.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:33 BST (UK) »
If an inquest held then the coroner will be shown as the informant. However, coroners inquests happened within a day or two in those days so would not account for the delay.

My guess would be a transcription error and the 15th March should read 12th/13th May ?


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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:33 BST (UK) »
It sounds as though the informant (whoever it was) was unreliable, given the discrepancy as to her age, so the date of death - which I agree looks unlikely for the reasons you have identified - can perhaps be taken with a pinch of salt.

Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:44 BST (UK) »
I'm having problems adding the attachments for the date of death and registration, I'll keep trying.

Agreed the informant seems unreliable!

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Re: Dead on Census? 2 Months Death to Burial? 1851
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 May 18 15:50 BST (UK) »
Who was the informant?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)