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Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« on: Thursday 10 May 18 10:48 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Ive just started back to looking into my Bevan family, and Im looking for Mary Ann Bevan with her family in 1871 and before.  From her marriage certificate of 1877 to Llewellyn Thomas, she says she is 21 years old and that her father was William Bevan a collier. On the census after she married she says she was born in Hirwain, her year of birth varies from 1854-1856 on different census.

Trying to find her birth certificate to find out who her mother was, but not having much luck at the moment and cant seem to pinpoint her before she is married, on her marriage certificate it says she is living in Pencoed.

Hope someone can help find her,
Jan

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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 May 18 12:12 BST (UK) »
This is a possible 1861, right area http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Aberdare/Hirwaun

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWMM-LYZ

Does marriage witness give names/any clues there

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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 May 18 12:59 BST (UK) »
Hello
There is a christening for the older son at Wesleyian chapel Merthyr Tydfil
William Bevan s of William Bevan of Hirwan in the parish of Aberdare and Ann his wife d of John and Ann David 1.1.1832 .
Sons Lewis and Morgan  have birth registrations with mother Davis.


William Bevan married Ann Hopkins at Aberdare 25.7.1824 but i can't see if she is a widow or spinster.

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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 May 18 14:05 BST (UK) »
1871 Census
Ann Bevan   Head   F 69   Ystradgynlais, Glamorganshire
Morgan Bevan   Son   M   26   Hirwaen, Glamorganshire
Maryam Bevan   Daughter   F 18   Hirwaen***, Glamorganshire
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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 May 18 15:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the finds, I also found them but thought that the mothers age was very old to have an 8yr old (66yrs) so didnt think I was right. According to an old email I just found from 2008, when I requested them to search for Mary Ann Bevan, with father William, a collier, with mother Ann, Rhondda-Cynon-Taff register office says they only have one Mary Ann Bevan with a father William, but he is not a collier, and the mothers name is not Ann !!! I just emailed again today to ask if they have a Mary Ann Bevan with father William and they said they dont have any Mary Anns only Marys !!!
Feel very confused !!
As to the question of witnesses on her marriage certificate of 1877,she married in Bridgend Register Office,  they were Thomas Thomas and Catherine Llewellyn


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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 May 18 15:58 BST (UK) »
There is this family in Hirwaen in 1861  :-\

William Bevan 68 Head Coal Miner born Penderyn, Glamorgan
Ann Bevan 66 Wife born Breconshire (Added - I think it also says Ystradgynlais)
William 30 Son Coal Miner b Aberdare
Ann 28 Daur Washerwoman b Aberdare
Morgan 22 Son Coal Haulier b Aberdare
Lewis 16 Son Coal Miner b Aberdare
Mary Ann 8 Daur Scholar

Added: Cas - sorry, I missed that you'd already posted this, I only clicked on your first link (should have gone to that well-known opticians!)
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 May 18 17:45 BST (UK) »
Have looked at 1871 and Mary Ann is listed as a scholar on the census. She was 18 yrs old at the time, isnt that a bit late to still be a scholar or could she have been studying to be a Nurse ? as I know she was a Nurse/midwife in latter years.

Also have traced that family back to 1851 and 1841 census (I think its them), and there is already a daughter on 1841 census called Mary, so would they then have named another daughter Mary Ann ?

Any ideas ??
Thanks
Jan

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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 May 18 18:06 BST (UK) »
I would think there's a good chance that  Mary Ann is William and Ann's grandaughter and her birth may have been registered under a different surname, as if the parents were married, even if they weren't.   
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Mary Ann Bevan Hirwain
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 May 18 19:40 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering about this BEVAN family as a possibility, although dau Mary doesn't have a middle name  :-\

1861 RG9; Piece: 4069; Folio: 18; Page: 29
William Bevan   28  Carmarthern coal miner
Catherine Bevan 30
Mary Bevan   5
Thomas Bevan   2
Jane Bevan   1/12
All others born Aberdare, living Hirwain

1871 RG10; Piece: 5404; Folio: 33; Page: 26
William Bevan, Collier, Carmarthen, Cathrine,
Mary 15, Thomas, Jane
additions to family
William & John
All born Glamorgan, living 58 Tramway Aberdare

1881 RG11; Piece: 5304; Folio: 101; Page: 31
21 East Road Pontypridd
William Bevan 50 coal miner, Carmarthen, 
Catherine 50- possible death entry 1881 Jun qtr. Pontypridd age 51
William 18 & John 14
All others born Hirwain

There are these birth entries on GRO indexes, all with same mmn
maybe the birth entries for above children on the censuses above

BEVAN, MARY    mmn   LEWIS     
1856  M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 354   

BEVAN, THOMAS       LEWIS     
1859  J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 394   

BEVAN, JANE       LEWIS     
1860  S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 282   
Also
Jane 1861 J qtr. mmn Lewis

BEVAN, WILLIAM       LEWIS     
1863  S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 379   

BEVAN, JOHN       LEWIS     
1867  S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 399   

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1853 Merthyr T
William Bevan
Female name on same page
Catharine Lewis
      
What were the names of Llewellyn Thomas' parents & and any of his siblings - are there any naming patterns?

Are these the names of the children of Llewellyn & Mary Ann Thomas nee Bevan?
Mary A (Ann?)
Margaret/Maggie
David
Llewellyn
Catherine J (Jane?)
William B (Bevan)
Elizabeth
Charlotte
Ivor
Thomas J

GRO Indexes have these two birth entries


BEVAN, MARY  ANN  mmn   GRIFFITHS     
1854  J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 289   

BEVAN, MARY  ANN  mnn JONES     
1858  M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 343   


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