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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #27 on: Friday 18 May 18 01:13 BST (UK) »
My worry about that military record is that it makes him about 10 years younger than he should be. Also, the reason for the striking out of his wife and children’s details is not given.  Perhaps they were entered on the wrong man’s record, and this soldier James is not yours at all?

I agree that it looks like 'our' James' details have been entered on the wrong record, so the only relevant details are those that have been crossed out.

Can we have a go at reading the mother's and sister's names and addresses?

Debra  :)

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #28 on: Friday 18 May 18 01:54 BST (UK) »
I read the sister / mother as below, but havent been able to make a connection.
Mother: Margaret Lyon? 93 Edward Burdis Street
Sister: Sarah Higgins ? Southwick Sunderland

I have another suggestion though, if the birth place is correct then his birth should have been registered in Lanchester, and this is the only one I can find for that time period:

CARR, JAMES  mmn     PARKER     
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in LANCHESTER  Volume 10A  Page 346

Added: Between 1838 & 1875 Benfieldside (Blackhill) was in Durham RD, so this is the only other one:

CARR, JAMES ARMSTRONG  mmn ARMSTRONG 
GRO Reference: 1875  D Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 414


EDITED - see next post
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #29 on: Friday 18 May 18 03:07 BST (UK) »
I may have the answer... or at least some of it!

1871 Benfieldside, Durham -  RG10/4957/47/48
James Carr 40 Ireland Labourer
Ann Carr wife 36 Cumberland
William Baty Step Son 8 born Gateshead

BEATEY, WILLIAM   mmn BULMAN 
GRO Reference: 1863  M Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 580

Marriage: 1867 Gateshead - James Carr & (same page) Ann Batey

That would make this the likely birth for James:

CARR, JAMES   mmn    BULMAN 
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 350

Also suggests that the 1881 census is simply an error and that William is really James Sr
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #30 on: Friday 18 May 18 10:51 BST (UK) »
Great sleuthing Jomot!

Looks a possible Marriage

Marriages Jun Q 1858   Same page
Beatey    Isaac        Gateshead    10a   690    
BULMAN    Ann        Gateshead    10a   690   

1861 as Beety https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X1-BNK

Bapts for Children on familysearch
BATEY, JOHN   Mmn    BULMAN     
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 549

BATY, SARAH  JANE mmn    BULMAN 
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 526
 
Possible death?
Name:   Age at Death (in years):     
BATEY, ISAAC       age 30     
GRO Reference: 1863  D Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 341   

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #31 on: Friday 18 May 18 12:16 BST (UK) »
I was intrigued by this;

Jacobus Carr, male
Christening   26 MAY 1867, St Joseph's, Gateshead, Durham
Birth Date   03 Aug 1866
Father's Name   Jacobi Carr
Mother's Name   Anna Batey
(Familysearch.Org)

There is a Death Reg Dec 1867 Gatesheead for a James Carr age 1

Birth Reg as James C BATEY Sept 1866

GRO Index;
BATEY, JAMES  CARR, no Mothers mn
GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 632
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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #32 on: Friday 18 May 18 17:32 BST (UK) »
Well done Jomot. I was completely on the wrong track but at least I had found the right James.
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