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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 12 May 18 16:41 BST (UK) »
Looking at the address from the WW1 info will/pension it shows James Bernard as being looked after by a Mrs Kennedy at this address: J.B. Carr (son) c/o Mrs Kennedy, 58 Hewiston Terrace, High Felling. Maybe Kennedy was the maiden name of James senior's mother? I match a 4th cousin on Ancestry with many Kennedys in, but haven't yet fathomed out the connection to my own tree.

 

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 17 May 18 14:12 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have any last suggestions to pin down the right James so I can try to find out who his parents were? Thanks

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 17 May 18 15:19 BST (UK) »
Looking at the address from the WW1 info will/pension it shows James Bernard as being looked after by a Mrs Kennedy at this address: J.B. Carr (son) c/o Mrs Kennedy, 58 Hewiston Terrace, High Felling. Maybe Kennedy was the maiden name of James senior's mother? I match a 4th cousin on Ancestry with many Kennedys in, but haven't yet fathomed out the connection to my own tree.

This KENNEDY family were living at 58 Hewitson Terrace in 1911.  Sarah's maiden surname was DONNELLY.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCF-NWS

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 17 May 18 17:27 BST (UK) »
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To summarise:

James CARR
marriage cert - suggests birth c1875, father James CARR, labourer, deceased.
army record - names mother as Rose McGRADY(?) in Hebburn.  Brother John CARR
army record - James aged 26yr1mo in July 1908.  Religion: RC
army record - James CARR discharged June 1915
army record - home address 93 William Street, Hebburn

Is this the same person as Sgt James Bernard CARR, of the DLI and Labour Corps killed 2 Jan 1918?  Son of Mrs KENNEDY of Hewittson Terrace, High Felling (James was at Field Street, Felling when he married in 1902)  our James was invalided out unfit, bad conduct, so is it likely he rejoined and became a sergeant?

The likeliest scenario is:
James' mother was Rose
James' father probably James CARR
James was born c1875
as James jnr had a brother surnamed CARR, Rosie may have been Mrs CARR
widow Rose married Mr McGRADY(?)

The only CARR/McCREADY (and variants) marriage I found in Durham is:
(FreeBMD) Rosanna CARR Dec qtr 1874 Sunderland vol10a p902 - on the same page is Edward McCREADY
The 1881 census has: RG11 4993/18 p30 - Brougham Street Sunderland (all surnamed McCREADY) - Edward 26, Rosana 27, children John E 4, Francis 3, James 1 & Elizabeth 0.
The 1891 census has: RG12 4138/96 p13 - Ward Street Sunderland (all surnamed McCREADY) - Edward 36, Rosana 37, children John E 14, Frank 13, James C 11, William M 8, Nora R 6, Mary A 4 & Ernest P 1.
This is most probably a red herring as it does not fit a birth date for John, but it will save other Rootschatters chasing it!


I'm off to hunt censuses for John CARR with mother Rose to see if anything turns up.

Philip
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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 17 May 18 17:36 BST (UK) »
To summarise:

James CARR
marriage cert - suggests birth c1875, father James CARR, labourer, deceased.
army record - names mother as Rose McGRADY(?) in Hebburn.  Brother John CARR
army record - James aged 26yr1mo in July 1908.  Religion: RC
army record - James CARR discharged June 1915
army record - home address 93 William Street, Hebburn



unlikely to be Sgt James Bernard CARR, son of Mrs KENNEDY of the DLI and Labour Corps killed 2 Jan 1918 (your James was invalided out unfit, bad conduct, so unlikely to have rejoined and become a segreant)


The likeliest scenario is:
James' mother was Rose
James' father probably James CARR
as James jnr had a brother surnamed CARR, Rosie may have been Mrs CARR
widow Rose married Mr McGRADY(?)

The only CARR/McCREADY (and variants) marriage I found in Durham is:
(FreeBMD) Rosanna CARR Dec qtr 1874 Sunderland vol10a p902 - on the same page is Edward McCREADY
The 1881 census has: RG11 4993/18 p30 - Brougham Street Sunderland (all surnamed McCREADY) - Edward 26, Rosana 27, children John E 4, Francis 3, James 1 & Elizabeth 0.
The 1891 census has: RG12 4138/96 p13 - Ward Street Sunderland (all surnamed McCREADY) - Edward 36, Rosana 37, children John E 14, Frank 13, James C 11, William M 8, Nora R 6, Mary A 4 & Ernest P 1.
This is most probably a red herring as it does not fit a birth date for John, but it will save otherr Rootschatters chasing it!


I'm off to hunt censuses for John CARR with mother Rose to see if anything turns up.

Philip
Philip - have you seen something that says that James Bernard Carr is the son of Mrs Kennedy. If so, that could be a significant find. I am not sure that there is any link between our James and the Army record for James, son of Rose  McCready other than that our James family details were erroneously entered on it and then scored off.
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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 17 May 18 17:42 BST (UK) »
Philip - have you seen something that says that James Bernard Carr is the son of Mrs Kennedy. If so, that could be a significant find. I am not sure that there is any link between our James and the Army record for James, son of Rose  McCready other than that our James family details were erroneously entered on it and then scored off.
Isobel

As per Superfuzz's post:

Looking at the address from the WW1 info will/pension it shows James Bernard as being looked after by a Mrs Kennedy at this address: J.B. Carr (son) c/o Mrs Kennedy, 58 Hewiston Terrace, High Felling. Maybe Kennedy was the maiden name of James senior's mother? I match a 4th cousin on Ancestry with many Kennedys in, but haven't yet fathomed out the connection to my own tree.

I suspect James Bernard CARR is a red herring.

Philip
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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 17 May 18 18:06 BST (UK) »
I'm off to hunt censuses for John CARR with mother Rose to see if anything turns up.

Well, no luck with the hunt!  Looking at 1881 and 1891 for James, father James, mother Rose and brother John in Durham, the closest I found was:

1881 RG11 4978/82 Front Street, Lumley Great (all CARR surname) - James 36, wife Jane 34, children Susan 10, James 8, John 4, ? 3, Adam 1

1891 RG12 4978/82 Walker Street Gateshead (all CARR surname) - James 38 Labourer, wife Margaret 40, children James 16, Matthew 13, Mary Jane 10, Rose Ann 8, John Ed 6, Francis 4, Ann 1
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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 17 May 18 18:23 BST (UK) »
I have been looking at the 1881 record for James with father William and mother Ann which gives place of birth as Black Hill. I think there is something odd about this family group, not least that they canít be found on any other census.
Looking at Bernard age 5, there is a possible birth of a Bernard Carr in Lanchester in 1876 mmn Bulman. There is also a birth of a James in 1871 in Durham, same mmn. Canít find likely birth for Francis.
Looking at a Carr/Bulman link all I can find is a marriage in 1855 in Gateshead between Joseph Alphord Carr and Ann Bulman. Carr/Bulman children - Elizabeth Bulman 1855 Newcastle died 1860 Newcastle, Esther born 1857 Newcastle died 1858 Newcastle, John Ridley born 1859 Newcastle, Ann born 1861 Gateshead, Bernard born 1870 Gateshead died 1870 Durham, James born 1871 Durham, Bernard born 1876 Lanchester.
In 1861 in Gateshead - Joseph Alford Carr age 31 a labourer, born Newcastle, Ann Carr age 28 Born Haydon Bridge, John R age 2 born Newcastle.
In 1862 the death of Joseph Alfred Carr in Gateshead age 29. Slight difference in name and age from census but Iím fairly sure it is him. John Ridley baptism record shows father as Joseph Alfred and the 1851 census gives him as 22.
In 1871 John (Ridley) Carr and Ann(ie) Carr are living as adopted children of a John Bulman born Haydon Bridge. No sign of Ann Carr/Bulman or her son William ( shown as 18 in 1881). Canít find an obvious birth for William Carr in 1863.
What Iím wondering is - did Ann take up with other men after the death of her husband but still record the births of resultant children with her married name of Carr. I also wonder therefore if Ďhusbandí William in 1881 is really a Carr or has just taken on her surname ( I note he is from Ireland).
This could all be completely unrelated but thought I would put it out there in case anyone else comes across something that might fit with it.
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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 17 May 18 18:30 BST (UK) »
Looking at the address from the WW1 info will/pension it shows James Bernard as being looked after by a Mrs Kennedy at this address: J.B. Carr (son) c/o Mrs Kennedy, 58 Hewiston Terrace, High Felling. Maybe Kennedy was the maiden name of James senior's mother? I match a 4th cousin on Ancestry with many Kennedys in, but haven't yet fathomed out the connection to my own tree.

This KENNEDY family were living at 58 Hewitson Terrace in 1911.  Sarah's maiden surname was DONNELLY.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCF-NWS

Debra  :)

Looking back at Sarah family, in 1881 there is a Thomas Mcguiggan age 21 boarding with her family.

Think possible the connection is through the Donnelly/Mcguiggan family either just as friends or poss relations. Sarah A Donnelly witnessed the marriage of James & Catherine before marriage to John Kennedy.

Cas
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