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Offline Grandma Chris

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Football medal.
« on: Saturday 12 May 18 13:02 BST (UK) »
This is a medal given to my grandfather Albert Gray born in Birmingham in 1879. He lived in Dudley Road ,Rotton Park, Birmingham before coming here to Cardiff in 1906. Does anyone know what club he may of been playing for please .
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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 May 18 13:36 BST (UK) »
Is the engraved date 1836 or 1896? It may help if the other side of the medal was shown as it might show which league or competition for which the medal was presented.
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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 May 18 14:17 BST (UK) »
Is the engraved date 1836 or 1896? It may help if the other side of the medal was shown as it might show which league or competition for which the medal was presented.

Or 1886?  I agree that a view of the face of the medal might be useful (and if not - it would nevertheless be interesting!)  It could be dated by the hallmarks, but I am woefully ignorant about silver.

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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 May 18 14:25 BST (UK) »
If I've read it correctly, the anchor is the mark of the Birmingham Assay Office, and the lower-case Gothic 'v' is its date letter for 1895.

Edited to add:
The maker's mark might be for William James Dingley, of Warstone Lane, Birmingham. See

http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-WH-WK.html#WJ
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 May 18 14:31 BST (UK) »
If I've read it correctly, the anchor is the mark of the Birmingham Assay Office, and the lower-case Gothic 'v' is its date letter for 1895.

Edited to add:
The maker's mark might be for William James Dingley, of Warstone Lane, Birmingham. See

http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-WH-WK.html#WJ

You star!  That would fit with a presentation date of 1896.
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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 May 18 15:17 BST (UK) »
Yes 1896 as Albert was born in 1879. This is reverse of the medal.
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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 May 18 16:14 BST (UK) »
Did Albert have a connection with Duddeston in Birmingham? There was a St. Anne's Church there at the time of the medal award, perhaps it was a church team he played for. Have a look at this link.
https://ahistoryofbirminghamchurches.jimdo.com/aston-ss-peter-paul/st-anne-duddeston/
Organised league football was in it's infancy around this time and many of the big clubs of today were founded as church or chapel teams.
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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 May 18 22:25 BST (UK) »
Just a thought while we are searching:

Do you know what occupation Albert gave on the 1901 census and his marriage certificate - if he was a professional footballer this could rule out church teams. (Although in the 19th century there weren't many full-time professionals).

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Re: Football medal.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 May 18 22:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your interesting reply.  Albert was a choir boy in 1894 at St Augustines, Edgebaston.I have photograph of him in his choir boy clothes and that is what is written on the back.
Maybe the inscription on the medal is St.Augustines Football Club. He married in Spring Hill Chapel in 1903.
Davies, Bengough, Kinsey, Gardner, Williams, Scudamore,Gray ,Hill and Buffery(Birmingham), Scoble, Baker, Blinman,Emanuel.