Fresh Thoughts needed - Duffy/Hawthorn 1880 Marriage

[Real Lee History]

You really need to purchase that certificate 
Lancashirebmd shows it is in Registry Office or Registrar attended so probably not available to view online

What you found is not the marriage certificate but the GRO index

Ok. This might suggest i'm a real amateur haha - but would the certificate show differently to the Family Search link details ?. I have been using the Family Search connected details to form my ancestral tree and was quietly confident I had done a reasonable job lol

PS With other branches - not John Duffy line (paternal ggf) as he seems an enigma coming from Ireland. The other lines seemed to flow well

[philipsearching]

You really need to purchase that certificate 
Lancashirebmd shows it is in Registry Office or Registrar attended so probably not available to view online

What you found is not the marriage certificate but the GRO index

I agree with Rosie.  We can't go further without definite 1882 confirmation of John's wife and her father.  Sometimes the online information is not sufficient evidence.

Familysearch is good, but transcriptions are not 100% reliable and they don't show full details.

Philip

[Real Lee History]

You really need to purchase that certificate 
Lancashirebmd shows it is in Registry Office or Registrar attended so probably not available to view online

What you found is not the marriage certificate but the GRO index

I agree with Rosie.  We can't go further without definite 1882 confirmation of John's wife and her father.  Sometimes the online information is not sufficient evidence.

Familysearch is good, but transcriptions are not 100% reliable and they don't show full details.

Philip

Ok. I will do my best to be able to order it.

I'm confused now myself - re 1891 census which as I mentioned just shows John and Mary. That can't be right either OR is right and the wrong Mary with children is attached.

Ok I will head towards certificate as too many unknowns with what I have, as you all rightly say.

Thank you for clearing my train of thought

[rosie99]

Ok. This might suggest i'm a real amateur haha - but would the certificate show differently to the Family Search link details ?. I have been using the Family Search connected details to form my ancestral tree and was quietly confident I had done a reasonable job lol

The link you have given us for the marriage on familysearch takes us to the GRO index for the registration of the marriage.  If there is further information posted it may not be reliable as information on familysearch can be 'submitted' by patrons or extracted from parish registers.

Submitted information should always be checked with the source.  Family trees submitted by members of the LDS church on familysearch are researched so that they can put these people forward to be baptised into their church after they have died.

[rosie99]

Sorry my last post 'stuck' as my internet went down   Do let us know when you get the marriage

[MonicaL]

I think I have just found the family in 1891. The family entry in Salford has been written up as Hawthorne and shows over two pages:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:78JV-L3Z - entry for John, and on the next page, Mary and children - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:78JK-TT2

Monica

[MaureeninNY]

I'm "almost" sure that John and Mary are listed as HAWTHORNE on the 1891.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:78J2-9PZ

(Father John is on the previous page-born~1857 Roscommon Ireland).


The children look correct. One extra is:

DUFFY, EDWARD       mmn HAWTHORN 
 1883  J Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 140

Maureen

[MaureeninNY]

Sorry,Monica!

Maureen

[Girl Guide]

I've found something quite intriguing on the 1891 census

A John and Mary Hawthorne residing at Turnerson Street, Salford, Lancashire with their children Edward 1883, James 1885, John 1887 and Charlie 1889.  All children born Salford.

Registration district   Salford
Piece number   3226
Folio   58
Page   9

Births from GRO as Duffy

DUFFY, EDWARD       HAWTHORN     
GRO Reference: 1883  J Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 140

DUFFY, JAMES       HAWTHORN     
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 173

DUFFY, JOHN       HAWTHORN     
GRO Reference: 1887  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 141

DUFFY, CHARLES       HAWTHORN     
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 131

If you try to find the above births as HAWTHORNE on the GRO nothing shows up.

I suspect that for some reason the Duffy family were transcribed as Hawthorne.

What do others think?