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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 14 May 18 09:49 BST (UK) »
The information I have comes from an uncle, long dead, who was a stickler for precision and accuracy.

Did he back up his research with documentation  :-\  There is a lot more information available now than when he would have done any research
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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 13 September 18 14:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie. William the father was from Poole but married Martha his wife on 31st Dec 1803 in Quebec, Canada. It might be that William junior left England and so was out of English record. Family history has him "at sea" by twenty when he was orphaned along with his siblings

William sr's will is on Ancestry mentions younger children baptised in Poole and William jnr as between 20 and 21

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sorry not will, it's an administration bond
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 13 September 18 14:33 BST (UK) »
There's a second document where Martha Summers age 10 chooses her grandmother Mary Summers (widow) to be Curatix and apply for letters of administration.
Martha Summers signed it, good writing for a 10 year old

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 13 September 18 14:36 BST (UK) »
In case anyone is looking for it Ancestry has put Dorset, England, Wills and Probates, 1565-1858 in "Court, Governmental & Criminal Records" section not the usual wills section
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 13 September 18 15:01 BST (UK) »
Looks like Mary Summers the grandmother was buried in Poole on 9 Nov 1836 age 83
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 13 September 18 15:14 BST (UK) »
Probably connected because Robert Ash master mariner was one of the people named on admin bond.
and Robert Ash Summers probably named after him.

Mary Summers sp full age married Robert Ash wid full age on 08 Jan 1814 at Poole, St James botp, by lic.
Witnesses: Geo. Hancock, Sarah Summers, Maria Summers, E. Summers, S. Simper.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 13 September 18 15:18 BST (UK) »
There's a marriage for a Martha Summers age 22 in Poole on 21 Nov 1837 by lic to John Hooper. No father's name given, but maybe they thought they didn't need to include it he was already dead. One witness is Mary Summers. Could be her age would be right
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 13 September 18 16:33 BST (UK) »
A few other Summers marriages in the 1830/40s but none has a William Summers as a witness. Hoped we'd get a sighting or a mention in Poole after the admin bond. I can't see anything later applied for by one of the children when they came of age.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Anybody in Poole Dorset that can cast any light into darkness?
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 01 December 18 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Probably connected because Robert Ash master mariner was one of the people named on admin bond.
and Robert Ash Summers probably named after him.

Mary Summers sp full age married Robert Ash wid full age on 08 Jan 1814 at Poole, St James botp, by lic.
Witnesses: Geo. Hancock, Sarah Summers, Maria Summers, E. Summers, S. Simper.

As an aside. William Summers Snr and Robert Ash must have been close friends and shipmates. He and his wife had twins 26th July 1820. A boy Robert Ash and a daughter Mary Lambert Ash. Lambert was the maiden name of the curatrix/ guardian of the orphaned Summers children.

There's a marriage for a Martha Summers age 22 in Poole on 21 Nov 1837 by lic to John Hooper. No father's name given, but maybe they thought they didn't need to include it he was already dead. One witness is Mary Summers. Could be her age would be right

Hi Lizzie. This Martha would be the 10 years old who took out the admin bond/ guardianship docs and is my 2x G'Grandmother. The Mary would be her sister Mary Brouster Summers.

Back to the elusive William Summers. The admin bond is proof positive that he did exist (it was family hearsay previously) and gives a window of birth date. His parents were married in Quebec City 31st dec 1803 and assuming mother was not pregnant at marriage, William's birth date can be narrowed down to, from October 1804 to September 1805. That would also satisfy the over 20 and under 21 stated in the bond of 22nd June 1825.

I have tried all I know to get some traction on this data but found nothing. Could I ask you to look into your crystal ball once more?