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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 13 May 18 22:42 BST (UK) »
Another baptism:

St John, Limehouse

20 Sep 1862

Emma, born 02 Feb 1858, illegitimate dau of Francis (Clarke), labourer, & Sarah Burton, of 2 Union Terrace.

Privately baptised.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 May 18 22:45 BST (UK) »
A Limehouse birth would fall into Stepney registration district.

So could Emma be Emma Clark, mmn Wayling, birth reg Mar qtr 1858 Stepney?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 May 18 22:47 BST (UK) »
Gosh, good find - in fact Emma does appear, I think, on a census under Clark, and I did wonder if she was the daughter of Francis Clark.

I will need to get that birth cert to see if father is Francis.

If it is, then Sarah's maiden name is Wayling.

Just off to have a look at Wayling families in Wapping, which is apparently where she was born....

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 13 May 18 23:09 BST (UK) »
For what it is worth, I can’t see evidence of a rival Clark*/Wayl* couple who might be parents of the registered Emma.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 13 May 18 23:17 BST (UK) »
Well that's great avm, that's brilliant to have a good chance of my gx2 grandmother being Sarah WAYLING.

It also adjusts the search parameters for the death of William Burton to before 1858.




Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 May 18 12:10 BST (UK) »
If anyone is following this, I have found Emma Clark as Emma Osborne in the 1891, by searching the 1939 register for Emma born 2/2, then backtracking to find Florrie Osborne, her daughter's birth ref in 1888 as Florence Rowena Osborn with MMN Clark.

Emma is with her husband John Osborne and children, in Regents Row, Shoreditch.

Whether this will help with anything else, who knows, but I am keen to follow every line in this family for clues.


EDITED
Ignore this 1891 census ref, as it may be wrong.  This family is very frustrating!

Yes - all wrong!!  Please ignore
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 14 May 18 13:42 BST (UK) »
Have you found Francis, Sarah & Emma after 1861?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 14 May 18 14:12 BST (UK) »
There is an Emma Clark in the 1871 who is a housemaid, born c1857 in St George in the East in the Penninger family in St George Hanover Square.
Reg district:  St George Hanover Square
Sub-reg:   Hanover Square
ED:   19
Household schedule:   205
Piece: 97
Folio: 40
Page: 36

This Emma Clark isn't still with the Penningers in the 1881.

I haven't researched other possible Emma Clarks this could be, and to be honest, I am doubtful it is my Emma as her background in St George's is not such that she would be able to be an upmarket housemaid in Hanover Square.  My family tend to be factory workers, or lower class servants.

Otherwise no, haven't found Francis, Sarah or the other children after the 1861 except my g grandfather Joseph and his brother Thomas Burton (1846) who handily married someone called Caroline Stiffell and also registered his children so that I can follow them through the censuses.

Thank you for your interest!

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: I know it's a big ask - but can anyone help with this one?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 14 May 18 17:44 BST (UK) »
One of the Clark children marries in 1861

Joseph Clark
Gender   Male
16 Sep 1861
St Thomas, Stepney Tower Hamlets, England
Father   Francis Clark
Spouse   Sarah Ann Tupman


Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex