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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 08:26 BST (UK) »
Letters of Administration re Benjamin Thorpe who died in 1924. Details of wife and children....

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GT2T-9757?i=134&cc=1865481


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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 08:40 BST (UK) »
Death of children mentioned in previous post.......

2006/25783   Thorpe   Benjamin Arkwright   23 July 1923


2001/18144   Smith   Dellah Ruth   22 September 1924

Added:

1915/6655   Marie   Beaumont    Benjamin     Thorpe   
1923/9013   Maude   Pearse     Benjamin      Thorpe


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 09:00 BST (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 10:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the additional information minnie

Any of these branches could lead to the discovery of Ahenita's line.

I appreciate your help.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 12:13 BST (UK) »
I am not sure but perhaps Ahenita is the transliteration of the English Anita?

You have been given information about the children. 

http://www.maorilandonline.govt.nz/gis/owner/interestSearch.htm

The website above is a listing of Maori blocks and it has the owners of the land. Generally to have an interest you need to be able to whakapapa back to a person that holds an interest in land.  People who hold an interest in land hold it in the area that their family comes from, their turangawaewae or place to stand.  When that person dies the family 'succeeds' to the interest of that person. 

On the website I can see an entry for Benjamin Arkwright Thorpe.  I have looked at the entry and the area that is given appears  to be  up the Mangapoike Valley.  This valley is very close to Frasertown.  (I come from Wairoa) I am not sure if there is/are marae up this valley.  I know that there are several close to Frasertown.

https://www.maorimaps.com/marae/te-mira-whet%C5%AB-m%C4%81ramamill-p%C4%81

It may be that Ahenita's land interests were around here.  What I would do, apart from obtaining a photocopy of the marriage certificate of Ahenita and Stephen Thorpe is to do a tree for all of the children of Stephen and Ahenita. This will show how the current day people can whakapapa back to Ahenita.  Or perhaps just do the line for  the youngster you are helping.

The marriage certificate may show the names of the parents of Ahenita.

Once you have got the names of the children and grandchildren I would look them up on the site above.  I have looked at several of the entries for the Thorpe family on this website. 

From my very cursory look at some of the Thorpe entries it seems that the family has been diligent in bringing the interest of present day people forward on to the Maori land record.  (When you look at some records around the country there are cases where there has been no action on the land for many many years. The land is still held in the names/s of people who may have died in the 1890s or 1900s.)

I believe that if you have the name and block number of the person that your friends whanau whakapapas to you could contact the staff at Maori Landonline and ask how, or if, the records can be searched back to find out the original owner of the blocks. It may give the family first name for Ahenita and others of her siblings.   

It looks like one of Ahenita's daughter's married a Morgan. Sometimes this is transliterated as Mokena.

I am not sure if your friend has any contacts in Wairoa but someone may be happy to do some  introductions or really 'reintroduction' as it is family making contact with family.  I know that at some marae they have days or weekends when they do have genealogy workdays and help each other. 

With the greatest respect to a previous poster but I think that the canoe for some/all? of the Frasertown marae may be Takitimu.

Stephen Thorpe was a valuer and later a farmer farming at Turiroa out of Wairoa on the road to Napier.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 21:01 BST (UK) »
Part quote from reply #13........

"The marriage certificate may show the names of the parents of Ahenita."

Sadly no, this information was not requested at that time [1878]. Here is what one can expect:

From 1854 – Marriage Act 1854 (Dated 1 January 1855)
Bride and Groom
•   When and where married
•   Name and Surname
•   Age
•   Rank or profession
•   Condition
•   Name of officiating minister (or Registrar)
•   When registered
Signatures
•   Signatures of bride and groom
•   Signatures of the witnesses
•   Signature of officiating minister (or registrar)


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 22:34 BST (UK) »
Shanreagh

Thank you.  I will certainly look into the resources you have provided me and follow your advice. It is time to organise the information I have and what has been provided on here.

Minnie - it might be possible family are witnesses, also might be just friends.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 22:40 BST (UK) »
Yes the names of the witnesses & their addresses (?) may indeed be helpful..........  :)


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Ahenita Taura - Hawkes Bay
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 23:17 BST (UK) »
Hi lil,

Just a thought, perhaps making contact with the Wairoa District Museum, to see what they hold on the Maori side.  You may never know until you ask :D


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