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girling alfred henri samuel
« on: Wednesday 16 May 18 05:33 BST (UK) »
He;s a bit of a mystery man, this one!

First appearance 1881 UK census. Lives with father Thomas at 255, New Cross Rd. Greenwich. He marries Sarah Ann Purchase Mar. 1883 in Malling, Kent.

The next appearance is 19/10/1886 when he disembarks the "Chyebassa' in Brisbane with wife Mary Ann, infant Felix born JFM 1886 Medway Kent.

I assume he's back in South Africa by 1899 where daughter Audrey Elizabeth Marian is born followed by Cecil Alfred in 1903, he dying later that same year.

Then there's big gap........... he doesn't appear until he gets murdered in 1914!!!

Where did he embark the "Chyebassa"?  What happened to Sarah Ann? When did he return to South Africa and come back again to Australia?

Any help or suggestions to fill the gaps would be greatly appreciated (and stop me pulling my hair out!!!!!)
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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 05:46 BST (UK) »
The newspaper report of his murder states he had been in Australia for 10 months, so that would make it about January 1914. His grave index card shows wife as Sarah Church.
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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 05:49 BST (UK) »
Please would you change your heading so the man's surname is in uppercase lettering. Bit confusing as to which name is given and which surname.
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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 05:50 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Queensland Post Office Directory (Wise) 1894-95
GIRLING Alfred, Woolcock St, Redhill.

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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 06:25 BST (UK) »

The Chyebassa departed London on 24th August 1886, arrived Brisbane 19th October 1886.

Remittance Passengers, Brisbane

                     6980, GIRLING, Alfred S, 25, Engineer.
                     6981, GIRLING, Sarah, 24
                     6982, GIRLING, Alf, 2
                     8983, GIRLING, Felix, infant.

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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 07:24 BST (UK) »
Free BMD lists these births:

Sep Qr 1884
Alfred Thomas H GIRLING, reg Medway, Vol  2a   p562

Mar Qr 1886
Felix George H GIRLING, reg Medway, Vol 2a   p606

Judith

I see some information about the children.  Are you only looking for info re the father (AHS GIRLING)?  Happy to post if you want  but don't want to transcribe if you already have it.
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 07:27 BST (UK) »
1895 Queensland State Electoral Roll.
The Electoral District of Enoggerra
GIRLING, Alfred Henri Samuel, 31, Arthur terrace, Dillon's Hill, at back of Ithica State School. Clerk and Draftsman, qualified to be on the roll by residence, 4th October 1894.

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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 07:54 BST (UK) »
There are also children born to AHS GIRLING and Sarah Ann Church in Queensland:

1888   B40364   George William   Girling   
1889   B44417   Vida Irene   Girling
1890   C4886   Arthur Bates   Girling      
1894   C3823   Gladys Ruby Eva   Girling
1895   C4159   Leslie Vivian   Girling   
1897   C4009   Albert Norman   Girling   

So, presumably he was in Qld until 1896/7 depending on the date of conception of Albert Norman.

Similarity between names of father and son seem to have caused some confusion in a couple of on-line trees which indicate that AHS's father also had another variation on the forenames, and also seems it have come to Queensland.

Once again,happy to post more info if you want it.

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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: girling alfred henri samuel
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 16 May 18 08:30 BST (UK) »
Sunday Mail 26April1953 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98275684
GIRLING, Sarah Ann.óRelatives and Friends of Mr. and Mrs. A. T. H. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. G. W. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. A. R. S. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. L. V. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. Irene W. Therman. Mr. and Mrs. B. Howard, and Families are Invited to attend the Funeral of their be loved Mother, Mother-in-law, Grand
mother, and Great-grandmother, Sarah Ann Girling, to leave the Funeral Parlour, 45 Adelaide Street, City, after Service commencing at 8.15 o'clock To-morrow (Monday) Morning for the Crematorium Mount Thompson.

Courier Mail 27April1953 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50554109
Courier Mail 30May1953 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50547058
STATUTORY NOTICE TO CREDITORS.
SARAH ANN GIRLING, late of Sandgate who died at Sandgate on the Twenty-fifth day of April, 1953.

Qld death:
1953   B42968 Sarah Ann GIRLING; Father- Samuel CHURCH   -