Brickwall Need Help Please

[trish1120]

Checked FreeBMD for any David Frewin and variants births reg Sept 1837-Dec 1842 in England;
Them checked those on GRO site for Mothers maiden name.

This is the full list, Mothers maiden name to the right
FERNIE 1837/Gregory
FEARN 1839/ Bromley
FREWEN 1839/Snell
FERN 1840/Thomas
FARON (David Eccles) no Mothers mn (illeg)
FEARN 1842/Kingstone
FARAINE 1843 On FreeBMD, France on GRO/ Mother Lowden

So nothing that matches up.

Trish

[josey]

Could something else have been Elizabeth's maiden name, but she was a widow named Hen[m]by when she married Thomas?

[trish1120]

Thats was my thought exactly

[Silverhawk]

Could David have simply not been registered? I heard somewhere that it wasn't uncommon for births to be missing in the early years of registration as it wasn't rigidly enforced.

Also, Steve, the Traveller crew roster shows a David Frewin who was 30 in 1860. What makes you think it's the same person as your David? The Florence one looks accurate, age 32 in 1871, but I'd be suspicious of the former given he's apparently only aged 2 years in the space of 11. Granted I have a case of weird aging in one of my branches where he aged 7 years in 10, 4 years in the next 10 then 26 years in the last 10, but that sort of fact fudging is an isolated incident in my tree. Normally if I see an age gap of more than 5 years of what it should be, I discount it. If there's other evidence though which ties him in, fair enough.

[Jomot]

Added 2: Thomas' job may have taken him around the country so marriage not necessarily in Liverpool. They were in Dorset in 1816
William Thomas Frewin
Birth year   1816
Baptism date   20 Oct 1816 Wyke Regis
Parents' names   Son of Thomas & Elizabeth
Excise Officer
Dorset Baptisms

Looking at the Elizabeth Frewin death in West Derby, this seems to be her:

1851  Oliver Street, West Derby – HO107/2192/524/43
John Williams 30 Rail Labourer born Holyhead, Anglesea
Mary Williams 28 Wife born London, Middx
John Williams 2 Son born Liverpool
Elizabeth Frewin 56 Visitor Married Nurse born Weymouth, Dorsetshire

1861  Cellar, 41 Robert Street, West Derby - RG9/2703/49/23
Elizabeth Frewen 70 Widow born Weymouth, Dorsetshire
William Williams 5 Grandson born Toxteth Park

Mary Jane Frewin married John Williams in Liverpool 1848

[avm228]

Possible sibling:

St Luke, Liverpool - baptism 30 May 1838


Elizabeth Fruin, born 16 Jan 1822.

Parents: Thomas (officer in the Customs) and Elizabeth.

Abode: Ashton St.

[Jomot]

There is an 1845 Merchant Navy listing (Seaman's Ticket) for David Frewin born Edge Hill, which is Liverpool.   Also some later ones (1853/4) which just say Liverpool but give his birth at around 1830/1831.

[stevengenresearch]

Thank you everyone, given me a start on this branch of family. 

[Jomot]

Added: If son Thomas was born 1817 & daughter Elizabeth 1821, Thomas & Elizabeth may have married ca 1810 - 16.

They were in Dorset in 1816
William Thomas Frewin
Birth year   1816
Baptism date   20 Oct 1816 Wyke Regis
Parents' names   Son of Thomas & Elizabeth
Excise Officer
Dorset Baptisms

1851  Oliver Street, West Derby – HO107/2192/524/43
John Williams 30 Rail Labourer born Holyhead, Anglesea
Mary Williams 28 Wife born London, Middx
John Williams 2 Son born Liverpool
Elizabeth Frewin 56 Visitor Married Nurse born Weymouth, Dorsetshire

1861  Cellar, 41 Robert Street, West Derby - RG9/2703/49/23
Elizabeth Frewen 70 Widow born Weymouth, Dorsetshire
William Williams 5 Grandson born Toxteth Park

The only marriage that would seem to fit is 3 Oct 1815, Melcombe Regis, Dorset
Thomas Frewin Batchelor otp & Elizabeth Caddy spinster of Weymouth
Married by Licence, both signed
Wits: John & Ann Gentry