Mary Ann Varrell born c1808

[CelticMom]

My 4x Great Grandmother was Mary Ann Varrell or Varrall.

She was born about 1808 and died 1844 in Marylebone and was buried at Whitefield´s Memorial Church, Camden possible non-conformist going by the burial record.

She married my 4xGreat Grandfather Charles Norval Michelin in 1830 at St Mary's in Islington. Charles was a wood carver.

Their children were as follows:

Emma Sarah 1831
Mary Ann 1833
Laura Elizabeth 1835
Louis Philip 1838
Ada Michelin 1839 - my 3x great grandmother
David Stephen 1841
Jane Clara 1843


when Mary died, Charles remarried to a Martha Nelson. They had a daughter, also called Jane Clara, the first one died young.

Most of the children by Charles and Mary Ann Michelin also died young. Only Laura Elizabeth and Ada (my 3x great grandmother surviving).

I am convinced Charles Norval Michelin and Mary Ann Varrell has Huguenot roots but have not been able to prove this yet.

My main brick wall is I can't work back on Mary Ann, as no record for her baptism can be found.

Any help would be appreciated. I don't need to trace them forward, as have all records for them.

[emeltom]

Possible baptism

Mary Ann Verril
Born 27 february 1808
Baptised 15 March 1808 Brompton, Mamer Street Chapel (Weslyan)
Birth Place Gillingham
Parents William and Sarah

Emeltom

[CelticMom]

thank you, that does look like a possibility. Wonder how I could try to prove?

[Bookbox]

Mary Ann Verril
Born 27 february 1808
Baptised 15 March 1808 Brompton, Mamer Street Chapel (Weslyan)
Birth Place Gillingham
Parents William and Sarah

The 1851 in Marylebone shows Martha Nelson also born in Gillingham.
HO107/1486 f387 p4

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Here they are 1861 Gillingham 2 Layfields
William Varrall  80 retired fisherman Chatham
Sarah 78 Chatham
Elizabeth daughter 53 Gillingham

Death William Ausgustus Varrall Mar 1863 Medway.
So marriage at Hoo 20.5.1798 to Sarah Langly.

1841 also at Gillingham Gadshill
William 62 fisherman y
Sarah 60 y
Elizabeth 39 y
Martha Nelson 37 y
Elizabeth Barnard 3 y

There is a baptism at Chatham
Martha Varrall d of William and Sarah 18.1.1804 .
It looks like Martha was Mary Ann'solder sister.
She is  married on the 1851 census with the Michelins.

Other children Ann at Gillingham 15.9.1805 ,Anne 13.1.1813 at Gillingham and James Thomas 9.7.1815 there ,-at Chatham Sarah Elizabeth 22.7.1798 ,William Giles 7.2.1800,Elizabeth 18.6.1804 Hannah 25.6.1817 ,Giles John 15.5.1819 at Chatham

William is in the merchant seaman records for 1845 born 1778 from Chatham and on the same page is John Giles Varrall presumably his son.

Ciderdrinker

[CelticMom]

Hi ciderdrinker

I’m a little confused by your post. Are you saying Mary Ann Varrell my 4xGreat grandmother is related to Martha Nelson who my 4xGreat grandfather Charles Norval Michelin married after she died?

So Martha was most likely born Martha Michelin and possibly a widow to a Nelson?

This would be amazing step if so, as I’ve been stuck researching backwards on her line, my fault for not looking at Martha Nelson more. I will have to double check my file, but I don’t think I found an actual marriage to Martha Nelson to Charles Michelin, just the daughter born to them and then her death as Martha Michelin. Perhaps they never officially married when Mary Ann Varrell died.

[CelticMom]

Do you think it’s possible the Jane Clara Michelin baptisms in 1844 between Mary Ann Varrell and Charles and 1851 between Martha and Charles are the same daughter?

There appears to be only one death record in 1851 - Jane Clara Mitchelin (surname variation). Why would they baptize twice?

[CelticMom]

Also I’ve never been able to find out what happened to Emma Sarah Michelin - daughter of Charles Norval Michelin and Mary Ann Varrell. I am presuming she died, but can’t find a death for her.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Hi ciderdrinker

I’m a little confused by your post. Are you saying Mary Ann Varrell my 4xGreat grandmother is related to Martha Nelson who my 4xGreat grandfather Charles Norval Michelin married after she died?

So Martha was most likely born Martha Michelin and possibly a widow to a Nelson?

I think the suggestion is Mary and Martha were Varrell sisters. In theory the marriage wouldn't then have been legal, however I know plenty of marriages between a widower and his sister in law