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Yates query
« on: Saturday 19 May 18 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hi - Tracing my wife's family and we have a John Yates b 14/11/1889. I'm sure I've found him in the 1891 census (with parents Henry and Elizabeth plus siblings in Bermondsey) but his age there is given as 2. How accurate were the census re age? Could he have been recorded as 2 even though he was only 1 and a half? I can only find the family again in the 1901 census (in Chertsey). Can't see his father in 1881 nor the family in 1911. Any help gratefully received.
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 May 18 17:01 BST (UK) »
Your query regarding age could equally apply to the 1901 census where he is recorded as being 12  :-* 
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 May 18 17:07 BST (UK) »
Yes, I did note that. I can't find any other Johns born about that time who come from that area. But then again I can't find his father (if it is him!) Henry's birth record - from the 1901 census he's meant to have been born Walworth 1859-60 but the only one I can find  is a Henry Thomas b Newington Dec 1859 so that must be him.
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Kershaw - Manchester
Mitchell - Southwark/Bermondsey
Parrett - Southwark/Bermondsey/Woolwich
Bowden - Bermondsey

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Re: Yates query
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 May 18 17:10 BST (UK) »
The family minus Henry jnr & John are at the same address as 1901 in 1911
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 May 18 17:34 BST (UK) »
Where did you find his date of birth? Is it accurate?

Have you checked the GRO Index Search for John's siblings, to establish his mother's maiden name?
There is a John Robert Yates, birth Sept qtr 1888, MMN Railse.
And a possible marriage of Henry Yates to Elizabeth Rouse in 1881?
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 May 18 17:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Henry jnr is married to a Clara with a Winifred aged 8 months in Chertsey
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EDIT This Henry married 1909 as Henry Frederick J Yates he has mmn as ROUSE
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 May 18 18:32 BST (UK) »
The family in 1901/11 were living at 22, Victoria Road, Addlestone a marriage of a John Robert Yates of 22, Victoria Road, Addlestone took place 8th November 1915 to an Ella Annie Dollery, his father being Henry Thomas Yates occ Painter
So where did the full birth date for John come from?
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 May 18 18:50 BST (UK) »
OK I can see where the 14th November 1889 comes from, did your John Yates marry a Georgina Edginton in Dec qtr 1911 Southwark?
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His father was a Charles occ Carman?
John Yates b 14th November 1889 died Dec qtr 1973 Lewisham aged 84
Georgina A Yates died June qtr 1928 Lewisham aged 40
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Re: Yates query
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 May 18 23:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks - yes, our John married Georgina Edginton. The problem is finding his roots - just got his dob from the 1939 register.
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Greenhalgh - Ainsworth, Bolton
Sargent - Halstead
Legate - Henlow
Kershaw - Manchester
Mitchell - Southwark/Bermondsey
Parrett - Southwark/Bermondsey/Woolwich
Bowden - Bermondsey