Yates query

[jonw65]

Admitted to Mint Street Workhouse, Southwark, 3.1.96
Georgina Edginton 30
Georgina Edginton 9
Geo Rbt Edginton 8
Alb Edw Edginton 3

Discharged same day
Back again on the 17th January 1896??

[daveroot]

Thanks - that is the right family. Still can't find the 1911 entry for the Yates - tried every combination of names and address but no sign.

[jonw65]

But have you found Georgina in 1911 - John might be nearby?

[jonw65]

There's a quick change of occupation for John, from pastry cook on the marriage to porter on the baptism of son John Robert, 5 June 1912, Bermondsey. Mother's names are switched round on that baptism (Annie Georgina)
JR was said to be born 9 May 1912, and the marriage of John + Georgina was 24 Dec 1911, so they had known each other for a while before that! So it would be good to find her in 1911.

Birth, Sep 1912 Southwark
Yates, John R.
mother Edginton
(registered a bit late?)

[jonw65]

Abode on that baptism is 39 Westcott Street.
Marriage witness Robert A Bavin may have been the son of a carman in Westcott Street. If so he was only 16. Or was it his father Robert, who seems to have married Elizabeth Slade in 1889 as George Robert.
Don't know if it's worth investigating them.

[jonw65]

Strangely there's a 22 year old John Bavin in Westcott Street, whose father is Charles, a Carman.
A couple of cooks (occupation) in the household too.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPN-HRB

[daveroot]

I had previously wondered whether the Yates and Bavins are the same family as the dates certainly fit for John's birth and as you say the father is a Charles which we can't find for Yates for 1911. Why would they have 2 surnames though?

[jonw65]

Charles married a Slade as well
28 June 1892, St John Walworth
Charles Bavin, 24, Bachelor, Carman, father John Bavin, Dock Labourer
+
Mary Ann Slade, 24, Spinster, father Edward Slade, Brush Maker

I got the wrong Robert for marriage witness!
Robert Alfred was the son of Charles and Mary Ann (not Robert + Elizabeth)
Baptized at St John Walworth, 2 June 1895
Born 6 May, father Charles William, a Carman

June 1895 St Saviour Southwark
Bavin, Robert Alfred
mother Slade

So the son John was born before Charles and Mary Ann married.

Why would they have 2 surnames though?

We have to find them all before that marriage in 1892!

[jonw65]

There's this family in Bermondsey in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q9HM-8T2

Thomas Yates 25
Mary A Yates 23
Thomas Yates 3
John Yates 1

Possible birth registrations, not in Bermondsey
Sep 1887 St Saviour 1d 39
Yates, Thomas
mother Slade

Dec 1889 St Saviour 1d 42
Yates, John
mother Slade