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Offline DavidJP

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 20 May 18 16:38 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Some info re the 2nd Battalion, The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) actions during the Boer War including Spion Kop on 24th Jan 1900 here: https://angloboerwar.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=660

Hope this helps.

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 20 May 18 17:12 BST (UK) »
...he's not recorded as a soldier on his marriage certificate in 1897, but a general labourer.

Have you considered that he may not have left the army?  Soldiers needed permission from their commanding officer to marry, and he may not have wanted to ask.

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 20 May 18 17:21 BST (UK) »
Spion Kop is a very evocative place to visit. 

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 20 May 18 22:11 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Some info re the 2nd Battalion, The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) actions during the Boer War including Spion Kop on 24th Jan 1900 here: https://angloboerwar.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=660

Hope this helps.

Kind regards

David

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 20 May 18 22:24 BST (UK) »
...he's not recorded as a soldier on his marriage certificate in 1897, but a general labourer.

Have you considered that he may not have left the army?  Soldiers needed permission from their commanding officer to marry, and he may not have wanted to ask.

Philip

I hadn't thought of that - I knew in theory soldiers had to ask permission but never applied it to his situation. It's possible. It's true I don't know of any family story of him being anything but a soldier.

I don't really know enough about the military to know why he wouldn't. Were they senstive about who soldiers married? His wife was also his cousin, not a great rarity back then but I don't know if that's something the army wouldn't have approved of?
I can't think of any other obvious reason he wouldn't of asked unless it was something personal like his officer didn't like him and would have enjoyed making his life difficult.

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 20 May 18 22:40 BST (UK) »
I presume this is Arthur's marriage then?

Marriages Jun 1897   
Lintern    Emily Florence        Clutton    5c   1004    
Moore    Arthur        Clutton    5c   1004

The 1901 shows Emily as a widow living at 29, Carlingford Terrace, Radstock, Clutton with her daughter Ellen and Emily's mother and siblings are with her.

I see that Emily remarried to a Sidney Noad:-

Marriages Mar 1902 
Moore    Emily Florence        Clutton   5c   845
Noad    Sidney        Clutton    5c   845   

and went on to have another four children.
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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 21 May 18 00:32 BST (UK) »
I presume this is Arthur's marriage then?

Marriages Jun 1897   
Lintern    Emily Florence        Clutton    5c   1004    
Moore    Arthur        Clutton    5c   1004

The 1901 shows Emily as a widow living at 29, Carlingford Terrace, Radstock, Clutton with her daughter Ellen and Emily's mother and siblings are with her.

I see that Emily remarried to a Sidney Noad:-

Marriages Mar 1902 
Moore    Emily Florence        Clutton   5c   845
Noad    Sidney        Clutton    5c   845   

and went on to have another four children.


Yep, that's him, and Ellen was my grandma  :)

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 24 June 18 09:34 BST (UK) »
The most likely reason your Grandfather does not record his profession as a soldier on his marriage certificate is that he wasn't at that time.

I expect that he was a career soldier and was recalled to arms as a Reservist when the Boer War broke out. Minimal requirement at that time was seven years with the colours and three years as  Reservist.

I was once told by a curator at a military museum that it was common practice for a soldier's records to be destroyed upon death in service. I don't know how accurate that statement was or how widespread this practice was, but may explain why there are no images of his service papers online.

He may have been posthumously awarded the Queens South Africa medal and this can be confirmed by the medal roll.

I suggest that you start by contacting the regimental museum and ask to see or obtain a copy of the regimental digest, which is a diary all regiments were required to keep. This will tell you everything he did in South Africa.

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Re: Records from the 2nd Anglo Boer war?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 09 September 18 09:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian

What the curator told you about the destruction of service papers of men who died in service is largely correct. Service papers were effectively maintained for pension purposes so if the man died on service they no longer served their original purpose.

However, papers of a small percentage of men who died on service do survive. For some reason a fairly high percentage of Royal Artillery papers survive. Other papers escaped the cull by being misfiled and ending up in WW1 records although, like many WW1 records, these are commonly fire and water damaged following the air raid on the PRO in WW2.

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