Frances/Fanny Goldsmith b. in London "1823"

[adam_in_SW_Middx]

Hi all!

I have a marriage registration (but no Kingston marriages parish records - does anyone have access to look at these...) and a +/- 1 year birth date and exact death date for Frances Barnes (her married name). Her maiden name is Frances or Fanny Goldsmith.  Where was she born and to whom?  (does anyone have access to London parishes birth registers)?  The main census contender (on 8/6/1841) does not seem to give birthplaces unless anyone has a full transcript:

"Institution" Drury Lane, St Giles in the Fields
Mary Goldsmith      F   55-59   Middlesex
Mary Goldsmith      F   15-19   Middlesex
Fanny Goldsmith   F   15-19   Middlesex
Joseph Garratt      M   25-29   
Robt Painter      M   15-19

"Institution" Penny Fields All Saints Poplar
[many others and...]
John Parr      M   35-39   Not Known
Geo Webster   M   60-64   Scotland
John Ryan      M   25-29   Not Known
Fanny Goldsmith   F   16-20   Middlesex

This is not going to be easy. It will require an expert like you! as  the 1851 census puts her birthplace down as London and she did not live until the 1861 census. 

Helpful basics:
   
Thomas Barnes, a carpenter
1819 Chertsey, Surrey – 1864 Staines, Middx
lived single in 1841 (wife had first child early 1843) and was with Mary Gardner in Church Street Staines whilst a carpenter's apprentice, sim^y. William Gardner & Joseph Wooden
wife:
Frances
1823 +/- 1 year"London" – 1854 Staines, Middx

I have scoured the register index and found the marriage, having carefully ruled out two feasible others by looking at censuses.

Marriage Dec Qtr 1841  : Kingston    4   199
BARNES      Thomas              
GOLDSMITH    Fanny       

[jonw65]

I have scoured the register index and found the marriage, having carefully ruled out two feasible others by looking at censuses.

Marriage Dec Qtr 1841  : Kingston    4   199
BARNES      Thomas              
GOLDSMITH    Fanny

24 October 1841 at Hampton, Middlesex
Thomas Barnes, of full age, Bachelor, Sawyer, residence Hampton, father Thomas Barnes, Sawyer
+
Fanny Goldsmith, of full age, Spinster, residence Hampton, father Edward Goldsmith, Servant
after Banns
Thomas marked, Fanny signed
wit L Smith, J V Richardson ? (not sure about those initials!)

[groom]

Have you actually got the marriage certificate as that would give you her father's name?

[jonw65]

It's Edward on that Hampton marriage.
So far the only baptism I can come up with is at St Margaret Westminster in 1822
Bap 11 August
born 19 Jany 1822
Fanny
Dr. of Edwin + Frances Goldsmith
abode Gardeners Lane
father a Servant

[jonw65]

There's a couple of baptisms at Staines (near to Hampton) to Edward + Frances Goldsmith
Ann in 1828
Edward in 1834
Father a Butler

So Edwin + Edward may be the same person perhaps.

[jonw65]

A burial at Staines, 21 Feb 1834, Edward Goldsmith, age 47. Abode Staines.

So that may be the end of the butler.
There's a marriage at Hanwell, 12 Sep 1836
James Minton, Bachelor
+
Frances Goldsmith, Widow
wit by James Beldon, Catherine Beldon

No idea at the moment if these are the people you are looking for!

[jonw65]

Staines in 1841

The Minton/Goldsmith family!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQVT-HQV

Horribly difficult to read the writing on the original. It may say Frans Goldsmeeth (or Goldsmith). Age 15.
But it looks promising.

[jonw65]

Baptism of James Minten at Staines, 14 January 1838
Parents James + Frances, father a Labourer.

Possible birth reg
Dec 1837 Staines vol 3 page 203
Minton, James
mother Gunning

[jonw65]

The nearest I can find with that name for a first marriage is
Edward Goldsmith + Frances Gurney
16 January 1825, St James Westminster

That is of course a few years after the baptism of Frances at St Margaret.
And there are a couple more baptisms indexed at St Margaret (which I haven't seen) to Edward + Frances Goldsmith, namely George in 1824 and Charles in 1826. Neither of whom we see in Staines in 1841.

EDIT - I think George and Charles may be buried at St Margaret, having died as infants. Only going on the index again though.