Netherlands and France: Bredeka

[grahamd15]

Thanks that has really helped! I wonder what became of Jacob's second wife Anna De Wit perhaps she died soon after the marriage. In the longer document I saw the names Andries Bredeka and Elisabeth Mulder, are you able to discern what their relation is? They appear in those birth extracts you posted earlier, maybe they could be Andries' grandparents?
Daniel

[TreeSpirit]

I had a look at some of the marriage documents. Generally the contents match the transcriptions, but the (previously mentioned) 1753 marriage of Andries and Elisabet/Lijsje (most likely Jacobs parents) had a few extra things.

The link to the document: https://archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/inventaris/5001.nl.html?p=456:457&t=658#OTR00152000045
Elisabet, 26 is from Bremen and it looks like Andries is from "Jever" ( ? ? ? ).At least you can add another country to this already complicated search (and I have learned to stay away from German research … LOL)

[garstonite]

One tree has Deborah as Deborah nee Belstyns and not Bilstejins ...a death notice

[grahamd15]

The family certainly moved around a lot! Thanks for all your help Sylvia.

Yes, in France Andre Bredeka's mother's last name was listed as "Belstyns" most likely a "frenchified" spelling

[TreeSpirit]

I had another look at that page 3 for you and it does refer to "grootvader" grandfather Andries de Bredeka. I suppose that we can be fairly confident that Jacob was baptised "Jacob Dionisius"in Amsterdam in 1758.

[TreeSpirit]

The actual parish entries:
1781 Naarden Marriage - Jacob & Debora: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99W-PZJX?i=311&cc=2037985
1782 Naarden Baptism – Andries: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-Y7CL?i=524&cc=2037985



The Bredeka’s have had enough attention, so finally here is some data re the Bilstijns

1761 Beverwijk Baptism - Debora Bilstijn: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9QV-BLV9?i=138&cc=2037985
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Her parents Jan Bilstijn and Dina Moerbeek were married in Haarlem on 4 Jun 1747. Their children would be born in Haarlem and Beverwijk.
( Note: A Haarlem index (Until 1811) re the Bilstijns starts here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSTQ-RQ6Y-F?i=216 and here is the birth of brother Nicolaas: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89QV-BGPP?i=133&cc=2037985 )
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In 1753 Jan Bilsteyn joins a tree nursery in Beverwijk owned by his father-in-law Paulus Moerbeek. It used to be owned by the late Pieter Moerbeek (Paulus’ father?)
https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=bilst%2An&page=1&cql%5B%5D=%28date+_gte_+%2201-01-1747%22%29&cql%5B%5D=%28date+_lte_+%2201-01-1780%22%29&coll=ddd&redirect=true&maxperpage=50&identifier=ddd%3A011111121%3Ampeg21%3Aa0007&resultsidentifier=ddd%3A011111121%3Ampeg21%3Aa0007
More about the Moerbeek tree nursery is mentioned in here (I haven’t really read it yet): http://www.hgmk.nl/wp-content/uploads/Ledenbulletins/LB36-2012.pdf
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Debora seems to have been named after Paulus’ wife Dieuwertje or Debora Barks

[Mike Morrell (NL)]

Hi Syliva,

I discovered this thread today. I'm seriously impressed by your research skills! I've nothing to add on research or translation (though I wish I could read and understand more of page 3 of the long document!). It's wonderful to see how you've brought this family's past to life! The characters and events would make a great basis for a historical novel or film 

Mike

I had another look at that page 3 for you and it does refer to "grootvader" grandfather Andries de Bredeka. I suppose that we can be fairly confident that Jacob was baptised "Jacob Dionisius"in Amsterdam in 1758.

[TreeSpirit]

Hmm .. yeah that page 3 is a pain in the you-know-what. Only a few months ago someone else had a "boedel" page just like this one on this same forum and it was just as painful ... Unfortunately pre-1820 handwriting is my nemesis and some of the old Dutch expressions can be a bit ambiguous unless it is something that you do regularly.
Give me a nice 19th/20th century puzzle in America/Australia/South Africa etc any day. 

Thanks for the kind words ...
cheers, Sylvia

 

[mygirlbill]

According to Google, " Jever is the capital of the district of Friesland in Lower Saxony, Germany. "