Author Topic: Thomas Jerman  (Read 1221 times)

Offline Mike Thw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,020
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Thomas Jerman
« on: Friday 25 May 18 08:58 BST (UK) »
Catherine Jerman was baptised on 7 October 1860 in Aberffraw. Her parents were Thomas and Margaret.
This is (possibly) Thomas Jerman born 1831, Aberffraw.

I cannot find an obvious Thomas/Margaret marriage or any record of the family post the baptism.

Any help appreciated.


 :P Work your Magic DragonT!!

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Online Cas (stallc)

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,257
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 May 18 09:09 BST (UK) »
Possible? Covers Aberffraw

Marriages Mar Q 1847   
Jerman    Thomas        Anglesey    27   521   same page Margaret Evans

EDIT
There is an online marriage for above to Anne Evans, which I think is the above, so very possibly not your couple. Anne Evans also included in list of poss spouses.

Cas
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline Mike Thw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,020
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 May 18 09:12 BST (UK) »
Must admit, I didn't go back that far!

Online Cas (stallc)

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,257
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 May 18 09:41 BST (UK) »
Bapt also recorded/transcribed as German, abode Chapel St, Thomas a Lab. Image looks like Jerman.

See post #1 don't think the above posted marriage is your couple.

Cas
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

Offline dragonT

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 270
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 May 18 09:59 BST (UK) »
Possible? Covers Aberffraw

Marriages Mar Q 1847   
Jerman    Thomas        Anglesey    27   521   same page Margaret Evans

Cas

This marriage is between Thomas Jerman and Anne Evans 6 March 1847 at Llangefni Parish Church. FindMyPast has the image. Thomas Jerman is a sailor, son of Lewis Jerman, tailor. Anne Evans is the daughter of Hugh Evans, miller.
(Margaret Evans on the same page married William Owen 18 Jan 1847. Coincidentally, at the same church and also on FindMyPast)

I'll look further later. (added - just seen Cas (stalic)'s latest post)
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Mike Thw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,020
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 May 18 10:16 BST (UK) »
"Thomas Jerman is a sailor, son of Lewis Jerman, tailor" - Dragon T

Uncle of the one I'm looking for. Emigrated to Wisconsin, USA soon after marriage.


Offline dragonT

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 270
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 May 18 19:57 BST (UK) »
:P Work your Magic DragonT!!

Hi Mike,
Magic not working today! There is a suggestion below but it is based on Catherine's mother's name in the baptismal record being wrong! Given the various spellings of the surname Jarman/ Jerman/ German etc, together with the use of patronymic surnames, there is plenty of room for error!

If your Thomas Jarman is the son of William Jarman and Mary - born 14 Oct Pen-y-graig, Aberffraw, baptised 13 Dec 1830 - non-conformist record from Rhosmeirch Independent, Llangefni, it seems he was married as the patronymic Thomas Williams. (As was the case with his brother William Williams/Jerman in an earlier post of yours http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=707927.0).

Thomas Williams,29, labourer, Llangadwaladr, son of William Jarman married Elizabeth Williams, 24, Aberffraw, dau. of John Williams, labourer on 4 May 1860 at the parish church Aberffraw.

I'm suggesting they were the parents of Catherine baptised 7 Oct 1860 at Aberffraw despite her mother's name  being recorded as Margaret.

For all censuses after the marriage the family were recorded with surname Wiilliams at various addresses in Llangadwaladr:
1861 - RG09, 4347, 94, 21 - Thomas 30, Elizabeth 25, Catharine 7 months.
1871 - RG10, 5725, 83,10 - new child William 3, b. Trefdraeth
1881 - RG11, 5573, 59, 5 - new children Thomas 6 & John 2 b. Llangadwaladr
1891 - RG12, 4664, 65, 9
1901 - RG13, 5276, 119,1

William's birth was registered as born 1 Mar 1868, at Trefdraeth, the son of Thomas Jerman & Elizabeth Williams while Thomas (19 Oct 1874, Llangadwaladr) and John (12 Jul 1878, Llangadwaladr) were registered as the sons of Thomas Williams and Elizabeth Williams.

Elizabeth Williams died 24 Jan 1906 at Ty Newydd, Llangadwaladr, aged 66, the wife of labourer Thomas Williams. The informant was John Williams, son.

There was also a death of a William son of agricultural labourer Thomas Jarman at Bodewen, Llangadwaladr on 4 Feb 1867. His age was given as 18 months.
I can't find the birth registration for William (b.~1865) nor for Catherine, and I also haven't found baptisms for any child after Catherine.

Does any of this seem likely to you?
Regards

Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Mike Thw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,020
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 May 18 08:02 BST (UK) »
Lot of Work there DragonT, thanks :)

With patronymic surnames thrown into the equation, I suppose anything is logical.
I'll have to study the information you've provided a couple of times to come to a conclusion.

Thanks again
Mike

Offline Mike Thw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,020
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Thomas Jerman
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 May 18 13:42 BST (UK) »
I'll throw another bit in the maze.

Did Thomas' son William Jerman/Williams (1868) who's birth was registered as Jerman marry Jane Jones in Q2 1892 as William Jerman?

He possibly ended up in 1911 in Llanbradach. Glamorgan as Williams with wife and family AND possible his brother John Williams, a widower, and his family.

Think I need at least one WedCert to sort it out!!