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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:09 BST (UK) »
Taking things from another angle while you wait for the marriage certificate, have you traced the Elizabeth Eleanor Lawson whose 1854 birth you found (mmn Gray) to see what happened to her?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:20 BST (UK) »
Taking things from another angle while you wait for the marriage certificate, have you traced the Elizabeth Eleanor Lawson whose 1854 birth you found (mmn Gray) to see what happened to her?

Possible sibling: Jane Ann Lawson, mmn Gray, birth reg Mar qtr 1857 Sunderland.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:26 BST (UK) »
Taking things from another angle while you wait for the marriage certificate, have you traced the Elizabeth Eleanor Lawson whose 1854 birth you found (mmn Gray) to see what happened to her?

Possible sibling: Jane Ann Lawson, mmn Gray, birth reg Mar qtr 1857 Sunderland.


The 1861 census reveals that Elizabeth “A” Lawson, 6 and Jane Ann Lawson, 4, have become stepchildren of George Simmons, their mother Elizabeth having remarried.  Jane is still in the Simmons household in 1871, but Elizabeth jnr is not.

1861: RG9/3777/26/45

1871: RG10/5017/72/59

Marriage, Mar qtr 1860 Sunderland: George Simmons & Elizabeth Lawson.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:27 BST (UK) »
Taking things from another angle while you wait for the marriage certificate, have you traced the Elizabeth Eleanor Lawson whose 1854 birth you found (mmn Gray) to see what happened to her?

Taking things from another angle while you wait for the marriage certificate, have you traced the Elizabeth Eleanor Lawson whose 1854 birth you found (mmn Gray) to see what happened to her?

Possible sibling: Jane Ann Lawson, mmn Gray, birth reg Mar qtr 1857 Sunderland.

Doing that at the moment.

1861 England Census
Household Members:    
Name    Age
George Simmons    34
Elizabeth Simmons    33
Thomas Simmons    13
Ann Simmons    8
Elizabeth A Lawson    6
Jane Ann Lawson    4
Mary Simmons    4
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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:28 BST (UK) »
Taking things from another angle while you wait for the marriage certificate, have you traced the Elizabeth Eleanor Lawson whose 1854 birth you found (mmn Gray) to see what happened to her?

Possible sibling: Jane Ann Lawson, mmn Gray, birth reg Mar qtr 1857 Sunderland.

The 1861 census reveals that Elizabeth “A” Lawson, 6 and Jane Ann Lawson, 4, have become stepchildren of George Simmons, their mother Elizabeth having remarried.  Jane is still in the Simmons household in 1871, but Elizabeth jnr is not.

Marriage, Mar qtr 1860 Sunderland: George Simmons & Elizabeth Lawson.

Beat me to it :) Adding that all to a separate ancestry tree at the moment.
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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:39 BST (UK) »
According to existing Ancestry family trees

Elizabeth A Lawson
Mother: Elizabeth Gray (1828 - 1903)
Father: Thomas Milford Lawson (1829 - 1859)
Siblings: Jane Ann (Jane G), Thomas Lawson

In all the family trees of Elizabeth Gray on ancestry, Elizabeth A has no sources.

I can't find an Elizabeth A Lawson mmn Gray on GRO for 1855 +/- 2. Seems like it's the same person, and that's her family.
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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:46 BST (UK) »
I think her father is likely to have been Thomas Wilford (rather than Milford) Lawson.

He was baptised at Tynemouth 18 Mar 1829 - parents Christopher and Jane.

Marriage Dec qtr 1850 Sunderland - Elizabeth Gray on same page.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 May 18 12:52 BST (UK) »
There’s a possibility for her in 1871 as servant Elizabeth Simmons, 16 b Sunderland.

RG10/5013/33/60
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth records and parents of Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 09 June 18 12:20 BST (UK) »
Just came back from a flight, so very tired. I have received certificates from GRO, I've taken a quick photo of Giovanni and Elizabeth's marriage certificates :)

https://i.imgur.com/R7ultSe.jpg

Giovanni Battista
Age: 38 (b. approx 1847)
Condition: Widower
Rank/Profession: Tailor
Residence: 25 Stowell Street, Newcastle (I think)
Father: Antonio Battista
Rank/Profession of father: [something] Cook

Elizabeth Ellen Lawson
Age: 31 (b. approx 1854)
Condition: (I can't read it)
Rank/Profession:
Residence: 9 [something] (I can't read it)
Father: Thomas Lawson
Rank/Profession of father: (I can't read it)

It looks like the family we've been looking at is the correct one. Right birth year, father's name matches.

Can't go over too much at the moment, I should get some sleep. Will take a look at this tomorrow!
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