Relatives who possibly served in the Great War

[MaxD]

There isn't a service record as I said!

His rank is Sapper (private soldier in the RE) - abbreviated to Spr on the card.

The wording below is that his BWM (British War Medal) was returned, the remainder are letter references which won't be found today.  The medal roll says it was returned by the police in 1930 which implies that it was lost, handed in and the police returned it to the medal office.  Whether he eventually got it is unknown.

MaxD

[MacGrigor]

Sorry, you confused me with the way you worded the non-survivors part  but thank you very much, that's cleared all that up.

[rosie99]

From familysearch

Gilbert Pepper
Death 09 Feb 1968 Santa Clara, California, United States
Birth Date   24 Jul 1884 England
Mother's Name Scarr

Nellie R Pepper
Birth 6 December 1893   England
Death 1 November 1972   Santa Clara, California, United States

Gilbert Thomas Pepper
Death 20 Jul 1981 Riverside, California, United States
Birth Date   05 Sep 1914
Birthplace   Unknown
Gender   Male
Mother's Name   Archer

I will leave you to look for any other family out there

[MacGrigor]

Thanks!

[jonw65]

If he's likely to be the Gilbert Pepper at 109 Arsenal Road, Eltham, on the 1918 and spring 1919 electoral registers, then that one was an absent/naval or military voter
Not sure there is another Gilbert Pepper it could be?

[jonw65]

Morris Lipman, born 1887, Shoreditch. There are two medal indexes, but one died. Mine died in Romford in 1948. The one that may be him is in the Army Service Corps. Service number R/359173.

There's a surviving army record in WO 363 for Morris Lipman, Army Service Corps, no. R/259173

That card does say R/359173, I think it's a Silver War Badge card.

20 years old in April 1917
living 29 Gt. Titchfield St ??
next of kin, father Abraham Lipman
Doesn't appear to have served abroad, discharged no longer physically fit. Could be the chap on the card, if there was a slight error.

[jonw65]

Ah yes, the Silver War Badge record has him as R/359173, like the card, and both say enlisted 2.3.16. Actually that does match the service record, which says "deemed to have enlisted 2.3.16" and weekly pension from "2.3.18". Discharge on SWB record was 1.3.18

So that's the same guy, whether he's yours or not I don't know.

[MacGrigor]

Well that discounts my Morris Lipman - his father was Benjamin.

And does the bit on Gilbert Pepper mean the one in Eltham was away at the war? Sorry I'm a bit slow  My Gilbert Pepper was living in Eltham in 1911 with my great-great-grandfather, Frank.

[jonw65]

It means he was in the armed forces for sure. The fighting had probably stopped by then.
It's a good sign!