FOSTER, DUMBELL and BRETTER surnames, Lancashire 1700-1900

[sec968]

Hello!

I am a descendant of
Richard FOSTER,
b. 1796, baptized 1797, Toxteth Park St. James in Liverpool
and his wife Ellen DUMBELL, b. 1805, Hollinfare, Lancashire

Their daughter,
Elizabeth FOSTER,
born c. 1825 in Lancashire married
Richard Vincent BRETTER b. 1826 in Liverpool
They married in 1850 in St. Nicholas Liverpool

Looking for any connection with these families. Have not been able to take them back much farther.
Thank you

[ShaunJ]

Hi sec968, welcome to Rootschat.

Why do you think Ellen Dumbell was born in Hollinfare?

It looks like she married again in 1847 (as Ellen Foster, widow) to Edwin Lees, a joiner. Her father is recorded as John Dumbell, a tailor.

Possible baptism in Wavertree per LAN-OPC:

Baptism: 29 Apr 1804 Holy Trinity, Wavertree, Lancashire, England
Ellen Dumbill - Daughter of John Dumbill & Elizabeth
    Born: 5 April

[ShaunJ]

1851 census: 9 Holly Square, Liverpool

Edwin Lees 45  joiner / Nottingham
Elin Lees / wife/ 48 / Wavertree
Richard Foster /son/ 19 /Liverpool
Nathan Foster/son/ 11/Liverpool
Eliza Foster/daur/ 9/ Liverpool
Peter Fairhurst /lodger/71
John Moses /lodger/ 19

[Radcliff]

I think you will have the marriage,
Holy Trinity Liverpool 21st June 1803
interesting as it may be his brother who is the witness to the marriage
John Dumbill,a tailor of Liverpool
Elizabeth Higham ,spinster of the same parish
witnessed by Nathanial Dumbill and John Owens
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same church,28th September 1803
Nathanial Dumbill,watchmaker  of Liverpool
Hannah Mansell,spinster of the same parish
witnesses Jno Williams and Jno Royle

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ShaunJ:  This is what I found for Ellen DUMBILL:

Name:   Ellen Dumbill
Gender:   Female
Baptism Date:   25 Dec 1805
Baptism Place:   Hollinfare, Lancashire, England
Father:   Thomas Dumbill
Mother:   Sarah
FHL Film Number:   1469048

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I'm also REALLY confused.  I show two marriages in the same parish of St. Nicholas, Liverpool:

1847 Edwin LEES and Ellen FOSTER
1863 Edwin LEES and Ellen FOSTER

Thoughts?

[Radcliff]

the marriage clearly states her father is John not Thomas

[ShaunJ]

I'm also REALLY confused.  I show two marriages in the same parish of St. Nicholas, Liverpool:

1847 Edwin LEES and Ellen FOSTER
1863 Edwin LEES and Ellen FOSTER

Yes the 1863 marriage is the same couple. So maybe the first marriage was legally invalid for some reason. This notation appears in the margin in 1863:

[Radcliff]

The first marriage has Edwin as a bachelor the second as a widower