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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 31 May 18 00:21 BST (UK) »
As for the rest of the crew, I am having the same problems.

Could I suggest that you start a new thread, perhaps with the title: Looking for relatives of Hampden bomber crew.

Add the link to the page https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=51988 which names the crew.
Add a link to this this thread.

Crew members HANNAM and SCARFF might be easier to track because their surnames are rarer, but we'll have a good try to find them all!

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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 31 May 18 01:14 BST (UK) »
Going back to  where William Robert Louth's brother is living with Ernest G Hull and his wife Ida Ellen. Ernest married Ida E Rideout June 1/4 1931  Blandford reg dist.
Ernest was born 3 july 1908 and Ida 26 Feb 1911.
I can only see two births for possible children of Ernest and Ida and they are a dau in 1945 Blandford and another daughter in March 1/4 1947. This seems a long time after Ernest and Ida's marrriage but it does sometimes happen.
Ernest George W birth reg Sept 1/4 1908 Blandford
Ernest and Charlotte have a sister Olive Bessie registered 1903 Blandford

It looks as if Ernest, Charlotte and Bessie were the only children to Ernest and Ida

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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 31 May 18 02:52 BST (UK) »
Following lines forward (from information on FreeBMD up to 1983) https://www.freebmd.org.uk/:

William LOWTH born 1920, killed in action 1 May 1943
possible marriage Sep qtr 1939 Leicester vol 7a p857 to HUNTER, but no children found for this marriage
No other marriage found for William or William R
Presumed no descendants

Peter J LOWTH
born Dec qtr 1928 Blandford vol 5a p303
died Jun qtr 1963 Westminster vol 5c p352 age 34
possible marriage Dec qtr 1951 Ilford vol 5a p656 to SHEA
possible LOWTH/SHEA (2 sons):
Mar qtr 1953 Weymouth vol 6a p781a
Jun qtr 1958 Sidcup vol 5b p118

Kevin John LOWTH
born Mar qtr 1932 Blandford   (10 Jan 1932)
Died Dec qtr 1994 Weymouth 4331B/B7D/128
probable marriage Jun qtr 1959 Sturminster (Dorset) to DOWNTON
LOWTH/DOWNTON (3 sons, 1 daughter):
Dec qtr 1959 Wincanton vol 7c p354
Sep qtr 1961 Wincanton vol 7c p432
Dec qtr 1962 Wincanton vol 7c p409 (possibly married Sep qtr 1983 Poole vol 23 p587 to TURNBULL)
Sep qtr 1968 Wincanton vol 7c p708

(half-sister) WALSHE
born Jun qtr 1938 Uxbridge vol 3a p249
married Dec qtr 1959 Poole vol 7c p1455 to EXTANCE
EXTANCE/WALSHE (3 daughters):
Dec qtr 1960 Wincanton vol 7c p420
Dec qtr 1962 Wincanton vol 7c p413
Mar qtr 1968 Wincanton vol 7c p732

Given the rarity of the surname EXTANCE, I would be inclined to have a look on FreeBMD to get the full names, then consider a site like Facebook to see if there are any on there.

Alternatively http://www.thedorsetpage.com/genealogy/names/names_e.htm#Extance has a contact name - click on it to send an e-mail.

Good hunting.
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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 31 May 18 02:55 BST (UK) »
Great work Philip  :D


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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 31 May 18 03:04 BST (UK) »
Great work Philip  :D

Great teamwork all of us  :) :) :)
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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 31 May 18 04:07 BST (UK) »
A quick start on the rest of the crew (killed in action 1 May 1943):

https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/2052/Commonwealth-War-Graves-Muiden.htm names the crew graves:  (I have added ages given on the CWGC website in blue)

Sergeant (Pilot), Gordon Watson, RAF, 1383608 (age not shown)
Sergeant (Flt. Engr.) Ian Douglas Crawford, RAF, 634710 (age 21)
Sergeant (Nav./Air Bomber) Leon Hannam, RAF, 1383305 age 22
Flying Officer (Nav.) Arthur Edward Parsons, RCAF, J/11636 (age 27)
Flight Sergeant (Air Gnr.) Thomas Deuel Scarff, RCAF, R/95040 (age 23)
Sergeant (Air Gnr.) Raymond Shepherd, RAF, 929961 (age 21)

As per David Van Coolwijk's original post, (and the research below) the missing crew member Sergeant (Radio Operator) W.R. Louth 1198324 has a likely grave and we believe we have identified his siblings and their descendants with enough proof and information to make contact.

Arthur Edward PARSONS and Thomas Deuel SCARFF (the two in the RCAF) could have been Canadian, or eager Americans joining up before the USA entered the war in 1941, or Irish (as the Irish Republic was neutral)

Gordon WATSON
without an age or next of kin, he could be difficult to trace

Ian Douglas CRAWFORD
no matching birth on FreeBMD in England/Wales
no definite matches on FamilySearch
Could he be Scottish?

Leon HANNAM
born Dec qtr 1920 Islington vol 1b p359, mmn MANNOCH

Raymond SHEPHERD possible births:
Jun qtr 1921 Middlesbro' vol 9d p1175 mmn SWALES
Sep qtr 1921 St Thomas, Devon vol 5b p59 mmn TILLEY (registered as Raymond L)
Dec qtr 1921 West Bromwich vol 6b p1652 mmn GREGORY
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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 31 May 18 04:23 BST (UK) »
Name Thomas Deuel Scarff
Birth Place Winnipeg Man
Residence Place Winnipeg Man
Service Number:    R95040
Regiment   Royal Canadian Air Force
Rank Flight Sergeant
Next of Kin Father - Charles Henery Scarff

Thomas' service files are on ancestry and even though I no longer have a sub I can access them. there are quite a few pages. He was single and born 1 Dec 1919 His next of kin to be informed of a casualty were his uncle and aunt Mr and Mrs V Scarff 28A Ty?dall rd, London SE15

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 31 May 18 04:57 BST (UK) »
Charles Henry Scarff, father of Thomas was born England. Mother's maiden name Daisy Kemp Nicholls also born England.

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Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 31 May 18 05:37 BST (UK) »
Name Thomas Deuel Scarff
Birth Place Winnipeg Man
Residence Place Winnipeg Man
Service Number:    R95040
Regiment   Royal Canadian Air Force
Rank Flight Sergeant
Next of Kin Father - Charles Henery Scarff

Thomas' service files are on ancestry and even though I no longer have a sub I can access them. there are quite a few pages. He was single and born 1 Dec 1919 His next of kin to be informed of a casualty were his uncle and aunt Mr and Mrs V Scarff 28A Ty?dall rd, London SE15

I vaguely remember searching for Manitoba births and getting nowhere.  I have a horrible suspicion they may have a restriction (100 year rule, or some such)

Maybe Mr & Mrs V SCARFF are on the 1939 register - I didn't spot a man with initial V on FreeBMD marriages from 1915-1940.  I'll see if I can track him with Charles Henry's mmn.
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