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Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« on: Thursday 31 May 18 00:49 BST (UK) »
Hi
 Any help much appreciated in my search for Lily Webb's marriage to Thomas Dawson around 1896. They had two sons: Thomas survived, another died aged around 18 months. Thomas Jnr is believed to come from Sussex, around Shoreham or Brighton, birth date 12 Aug 1898, died 1990 Great Wakerling. Family say he was known as Jack, possibly his middle name, or maybe John.

In 1901 Lily of Canewdon, Thomas and John, born Brighton 1899, are in Tooting and in 1911 Lily of Malden and Jack, born 1899 Brighton, are in North Leyton without Thomas, though she is marked married not widowed.

I have Lily with parents John and Maria Webb in Great Wakering, Essex in 1881 and 1891. I am also drawing a blank on Thomas parentage and birthplace. I am not sure if the marriage took place in Essex or Sussex but they lived at 213 High Street, Gt Wakerling until their deaths.

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 31 May 18 06:04 BST (UK) »
Well it looks as though the best evidence you have about Thomas snr is the 1901 census:

Thomas Dawson Head Mar 37 Mechanical engineer Sussex Chichester
Lily do Wife Mar 29 Essex Maldon
John do Son 2 Sussex Brighton

RG13/470/9/10.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 31 May 18 06:22 BST (UK) »
I can’t see any marriage for Lily and Thomas.  Going by the 1901 census he was of an age where he might well have had a lawful wife elsewhere.  Perhaps that was an issue, or perhaps they just never got around to marriage.  It is not uncommon to find couples claiming to be married when in fact they were not.

I also cannot see a birth registration for Thomas jnr/John/Jack, either as Dawson or Webb.  What is known of the other son who you say died aged about 18mo?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 31 May 18 08:03 BST (UK) »
Yes, I suspect the marriage did not occur. All the family know is that another son died, they don't know the name or year, but he may be in the Gt Wakering churchyard.


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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 June 18 01:09 BST (UK) »
There’s a Dawson child buried 1/9/1899 at great watering. I can’t read the name but the child is aged 2 and a half years.
It’s image 81, record 1248 for anyone who has access to SEAX?
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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 June 18 02:22 BST (UK) »
There’s a Dawson child buried 1/9/1899 at great watering. I can’t read the name but the child is aged 2 and a half years.
It’s image 81, record 1248 for anyone who has access to SEAX?

Probably Mabel Kate DAWSON death reg Sep qtr 1899 Rochford (4a/424) aged 2.

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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 June 18 02:40 BST (UK) »
There is an Albert Edward WEBB birth reg Jun qtr 1901 Rochford (4a/647) with no mother's maiden name given, who appears to have died reg Sep qtr Rochford (4a/391) - a possibility?

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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 June 18 02:50 BST (UK) »
There is also an unnamed male child DAWSON birth reg Dec qtr 1897 at Brighton (2b/209) with no mother's maiden name recorded - a possibility for Thomas jnr, although I realise you say his birth date was 12 Aug 1898?

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Re: Marriage of Lily Webb born 1872 in Canewdon, Essex, England
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 June 18 08:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you, these are all interesting possibilities for me to look into.