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Does anyone know how I can find out the movements of the 10th (Edinburgh) Regiment of the North British Militia, commanded by the Duke of Buccleuch, in the 1800's, the Napoleonic War period?

My ancestor Alexander Grant is shown as a member of the "10th Militia" in OPR's of his children born in Edinburgh at this time, but not which one - I do know that there was also an Inverness 10th Militia, and actually now believe that he was a member of this, and born in Campbelltown (Ardersier), Inverness, around 1775 (- as explained in my separate topic post about his elusive marriage to Mary Rollins, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794043.0 , which produced some very useful information from RootChatters.)

I'm pretty convinced that his was the Inverness 10th, and not the Edinburgh 10th, but I'm just trying to eliminate the possibility that he could have been a member of yet another "10th Militia" - does anyone know if there were any other "10th Militias" in Scotland at this time, apart from these two?

Also, although I have found details of the Inverness 10th Militia's movements, as mentioned in my other post, ( - they went down to Portsmouth at one point -) I have no information about the movements of the Edinburgh 10th to relate to what I know about Alexander - again, does anyone know where I can find out if they ever left Edinburgh, and where they went in this period (upto about 1815) ?
Grant - Ardersier/Campbelltown (Inverness), Edinburgh, Portsmouth, and London; Stronach, Rafford (Moray) and Edinburgh;

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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 June 18 15:49 BST (UK) »
I take it that you have explored the catalogue of the National Archives?

Might it be worth asking the Edinburgh City Archives if they have any relevant material?
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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 June 18 16:23 BST (UK) »
I know little on the military except for the coastguard, but I just tried Google and it returned a number of hits.

I would imagine that the National Archives you will find information on the 10th as well.

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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 June 18 17:24 BST (UK) »
Hello Forfarian!  Good to see you are on the case.. (and Don M too - just saw your post)

Briefly, re the NAS, yes I have, but no I haven't found too much yet - I did find the 1809 Description Book for the Edinburgh Militia (which I have seen), and which gives very useful information on the men in each Company, but I haven't found anything so far to indicate the Edinburh 10th's movements- if any.

The Edinburgh City Archives had the following related to this, as far as I could see, which from the decriptions did not appear to be obviously  useful for my purpose, though I haven't been to see them yet:-

- Rolls of men recorded in Edinburgh for auxiliary and regular forces 1796 – 1857. Parish Lists 1802. Oaths of Militiamen .Miscellaneous material. (thousands of men with physical descriptions. Unfortunately there is no nominal index…)

SL127 Militia Records 1717-1894, includes militia lists, assessments, lists of persons liable to serve, lieutenancy records, correspondence, financial records & correspondence

SL54  Army attestation registers 1794-1887.

SL12/81  Pamphlet on the County of the City of Edinburgh Militia, Gentlemen and Yeomanry and Volunteer Infantry   SL127/12/2 (listed Under Ref Code GB 0236 SL12, Misc Items & Deposits)

I'm not sure yet how I'd go about identifying other possible "10th Militias" in Scotland with any confidence.

I confess that (a) I'm not totally confident in my ability to search the NAS etc online effectively, and (b) I rather hoped that some kindly soul could wave a magic wand, having done similar research already !!

Otherwise I'll plod on...
Potterer.
Grant - Ardersier/Campbelltown (Inverness), Edinburgh, Portsmouth, and London; Stronach, Rafford (Moray) and Edinburgh;


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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 June 18 17:48 BST (UK) »
I didn't mean the NAS - I meant the UK National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ because most of the military material is held by them - though not sure about militia as opposed to regular army records.

But I think I'd be beating a path to the Edinburgh City Archives to see what their holdings are all about. You could always contact them and ask if any of it refers to the 10th Militia.
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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 June 18 18:26 BST (UK) »
The 10th Edinburgh are held in Scotland according to TNA

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13654891


Militia being part time, similar to the TA today, If the children were born and baptised in Edinburgh he must have been living there, so I would expect him to be in the 10th Edinburgh.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 June 18 20:29 BST (UK) »
Forfarian, - thanks, good tip - I'll check the UK National Archives too, although as Jebber says, at least some refer back to the NAS  (is that still their name?)

Jebber - I have looked at the records referred to there, but with limited success so far - always tricky to work out whats worth following from the descriptions alone - I need to try to spend some time hands-on I guess.

Re the local militia service issue you raise - I do know that the Inverness 10th Militia were in Edinburgh (Musselburgh) in the early 1800's , before they marched down to Portsmouth ( -they had the luxury of a ship back to inverness eventually!   Softies). Thats why I'm also interested to find out what the Edinburgh 10th were upto at the time.
Grant - Ardersier/Campbelltown (Inverness), Edinburgh, Portsmouth, and London; Stronach, Rafford (Moray) and Edinburgh;

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Re: 10th Militia Regiment(s),1800's - How many of this name? Their movements?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 September 21 10:32 BST (UK) »
There is a "A History of the Edinburgh, or Queen's Regiment Light Infantry Militia (now) Third Battalion The Royal Scots" by Major R.C. Dudgeon. I have a copy and this seems to tally with what is on Wkipedia. My notes from these sources are -
In March 1800 the regiment went to to Ayr, with detachments at Newtown, Wallacetown and Stranraer; in June two companies went to Greenock with a detachment at Port Glasgow. Then in July the companies at Ayr moved into the barracks at Glasgow and took over guard mounting in the city.

The 10th North British was marched in January 1802 from Glasgow to quarters in Musselburgh, Fisherrow and Inveresk, and sent its battalion guns to Leith Fort. From these quarters the regiment could assemble at Dalkeith Park for exercises.

From 29 June 1803 the regiment was in camp at Musselburgh as part of a Scottish Brigade temporarily commanded by the Duke of Buccleuch. In November the regiment returned to Dalkeith, where temporary barracks were erected at nearby Lugton, with one company detached to Newbattle and one to Lasswade. It continued to take part in field days with the rest of the brigade through the winter. In 1804 a Scottish Militia Brigade was formed with its headquarters at Inveresk, and the 'flank companies' (grenadiers and light infantry) of the brigade were drilled together at Portobello, Edinburgh. The brigade also found the guards for a Prisoner-of-war camp at Greenlaw House (later Glencorse Barracks). In May 1807 the Edinburgh Militia moved from Dalkeith to Dunbar barracks, with one company detached at Eyemouth barracks. The duty was to assist in preserving the peace and aiding the revenue officers. It returned to Musselburgh in February 1808, then went back to Dunbar in February 1809. In April 1809 it went to Haddington barracks , and then to Edinburgh Castle in June, with a detachment at Leith Fort. The duties included escorting parties of prisoners of war.[29]

In March 1811 the Duke of Buccleuch resigned command of the regiment and was succeeded by the Earl of Ancrum (later 6th Marquess of Lothian)

As in the July of 1811 the regiment left Scotland for the first time, sailing from Leith to Harwich where it went into barracks before being stationed at Colchester for nine months. In April 1812 the regiment moved to the large prisoner of war camp at Norman Cross Prison. Following an outbreak of Luddite machine-breaking in the English industrial districts, in May the regiment was marched to Nottinghamshire, being quartered at Mansfield. In the October it was quartered at Manchester with detachments at Bolton, Bury and Rochdale, and after short stays in Birmingham and Somerset in February and March 1813, the regiment marched to Plymouth, being quartered in Frankfort Barracks from 31 March.

Most of the Edinburgh Militia sailed from Plymouth on 26 June 1813 and disembarked at Monkstown, Ireland on 12 July. It was then marched towards Armagh, but diverted to Derry where it arrived on 31 July.

The war having ended with the deposition and exile of Napoleon in 1814, the regiment was relieved in February 1815 and marched to Belfast where it embarked for Scotland. It reached Stranraer on 9 March and marched to Dalkeith, where the men were given leave before the regiment was disembodied on 3 April 1815. The Regimental Colours were laid up in Newbattle Abbey, the Marquess of Lothian's house. Unlike some regiments, the Edinburgh Militia was not re-embodied during the short Waterloo campaign of 1815.

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