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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 03 June 18 16:59 BST (UK) »
Taking the CORKE family from the 1901 census to find BMDs
birth Mar qtr 1848 Yarmouth vol 13 p395 ENGLAND Eleanor mmn PYE
birth Dec qtr 1850 St Faith's vol 13 p108 CORKE Charles mmn HARVEY
marriage Mar qtr 1872 Gateshead vol 10a p913 - 4 on page including CORKE Charles and ENGLAND Eleanor
birth Sep qtr 1873 South Shields vol 10a p840 CORKE Charles William mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1877 South Shields vol 10a p816 CORKE Jane Eleanor mmn ENGLAND
birth Sep qtr 1879 South Shields vol 10a p760 CORKS Margaret Ann mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1882 Mutford vol 4a p895 CORK Henry Edward mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1884 Yarmouth vol 4b p26 CORKE Ada Hannah mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1886 Yarmouth vol 4b p31 CORKE George mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1889 Yarmouth vol 4b p25 CORKE Bertie mmn ENGLAND
birth Sep qtr 1891 Yarmouth vol 4b p28 CORKE Victor mmn ENGLAND

The 1881 census (familysearch transcript) RG11 5028/29 p21 in South Shields has:
Charles 30 head, Eleanor 32 wife, Charles W 7 son, Jane E 4 daughter, Margaret A 1 daughter

The 1891 census (familysearch transcript) RG12 1503/105 p14, Nelson Terrace, Yarmouth has:
Charles 44 head, Eleanor 41 wife, Charles W 17 son, Jane E 14 daughter, Margaret A 11 daughter, Henry E 9 son, Edith A 7 daughter, George 5 son, Bertie 2 son.  NOW HOLD ON THERE!  EDITH A?  ??? ???  This must be Ada H - but where does the name Edith come from? (and does it matter?)

Anyway, back to the point.
marriage Jun qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p37 on same page CORKE Jane Eleanor & GEORGE John (is this "Alice" on the 1901 census?)
marriage Dec qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p50 CORKE Margaret Ann & BOLINGBROKE Charles Edward
(confirmed surnames matching births in Yarmouth on GRO)

This gives us some new surnames to throw into the mix.  If Ada Hannah CORKE was the mother of Raymond SHEPHERD (definite birth not yet found) or Raymond S CORKE Sep 1921 in Rochford (that's a brilliant find!) might she possibly have been sent to stay with a relative - CORKE, ENGLAND, PYE, HARVEY, GEORGE or BOLINGBROKE?

Philip
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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 03 June 18 18:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Philip, this may clarify the mystery of Ada Corke and Edith Corke (in 1891) being the same person, and confirm that Ada Shepherd in 1939 is Ada/Edith/Edie Corke.

Baptism

Name: Edie Hannah Cork
Baptism Age : 0
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1884 (Same date as Ada gives in 1939  :D)  Just noticed, the year of birth she gives in 1939 is 1887, but day and month are the same.
Baptism Date:7 Feb 1884
Baptism Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Father Charles Cork
Mother Eleanor Cork

(I have seen the original image of the Bishop's Transcript)

Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 03 June 18 18:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Philip, this may clarify the mystery of Ada Corke and Edith Corke (in 1891) being the same person, and confirm that Ada Shepherd in 1939 is Ada/Edith/Edie Corke.

Baptism

Name: Edie Hannah Cork
Baptism Age : 0
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1884 (Same date as Ada gives in 1939  :D)  Just noticed, the year of birth she gives in 1939 is 1887, but day and month are the same.
Baptism Date:7 Feb 1884
Baptism Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Father Charles Cork
Mother Eleanor Cork

(I have seen the original image of the Bishop's Transcript)

Yay!  I thought she must be the same person, but it needed to be confirmed.  Your find confirms that Edith is the same person as Ada on the birth registration and censuses.  The birth date on the baptism record being the same as on the 1939 Register (allowing for a variation in the year - which is not uncommon) is very strong evidence that Edie Hannah/Ada Hannah CORKE is Ada Hannah SHEPHERD.  Combined with the CORKE and SHEPHERD names in the same house in 1930 and 1939 it makes the case watertight.

The birth registration found by jonw65:
Sep 1921 Rochford vol 4a p1339 CORKE Raymond S, mmn CORKE   
is the strongest candidate we have for the birth of Raymond SHEPHERD (age 21 in 1943).  There are no other CORKE or SHEPHERD candidates in England/Wales in 1921 or 1922 and the only potential in 1923:
birth Sep qtr 1923 Cardiff vol 11a p927 SHEPHERD Raymond E, mmn SHEPPARD
looks to relate to:
marriage Dec qtr 1921 Cardiff vol 11a p895 SHEPHERD Albert E & SHEPPARD Jessie M.

crisane found on the CWGC website for Raymond Son of Ada Shepherd of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk (on the thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794284.9). 

Does anyone doubt that we've cracked it?  Rootschat teamwork at its best!

Philip
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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 03 June 18 19:38 BST (UK) »
Philip, I'm quite sure the Rootschat Team have cracked it!  We just need to track down some living relatives.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 03 June 18 19:45 BST (UK) »
That certainly looks like the right family. Impressive work everyone! Now to track down some living relatives...

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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 03 June 18 19:50 BST (UK) »
BOLINGBROKE BMDs

marriage Dec qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p50 CORKE Margaret Ann & BOLINGBROKE Charles Edward

birth Mar qtr 1902 Woolwich vol 1d p1314 BOLINGBROKE Margaret Alice mmn CORKE
death Jun qtr 1925 Yarmouth vol 4b p14 BOLINGBROKE Margaret A age 23

birth Sep qtr 1904 Woolwich vol 1d p1293 BOLINGBROKE Ada Winifred mmn CORKE
death Sep qtr 1921 Lewisham vol 1d p891 BOLINGBROKE Ada W age 17

birth Sep qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p76 BOLINGBROKE Muriel Ivy mmn CORKE
marriage Sep qtr 1935 Woolwich vol 1d p3067 BOLINGBROKE Muriel I & KEMPT George L
birth Mar qtr 1944 Woolwich vol 1d p928 KEMPT mmn BOLINGBROKE
(no marriage or death found on FreeBMD England/Wales for this man up to 1983)

That's as far as I have reached using free sites.

Philip
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Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 03 June 18 20:51 BST (UK) »
GEORGE BMDs

marriage Jun qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p37 on same page CORKE Jane Eleanor & GEORGE John (is this "Alice" on the 1901 census transcript?)

death Sep qtr 1908 Yarmouth vol 4b p11 GEORGE Jane Eleanor age 30
death Jun qtr 1914 Yarmouth vol 4b p34 GEORGE Alice age 37

No births for GEORGE mmn CORKE (including spelling variants) found on GRO England/Wales
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Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 03 June 18 21:11 BST (UK) »
BOLINGBROKE BMDs

birth Sep qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p76 BOLINGBROKE Muriel Ivy mmn CORKE
marriage Sep qtr 1935 Woolwich vol 1d p3067 BOLINGBROKE Muriel I & KEMPT George L
birth Mar qtr 1944 Woolwich vol 1d p928 KEMPT mmn BOLINGBROKE
(no marriage or death found on FreeBMD England/Wales for this man up to 1983)

Philip

George & Muriel I Kempt, with the (cannot name) son b. 1944 are at 38 Green Lane, Greenwich, Woolwich West in 1965 Electoral Register.

I cannot see a marriage or a death for the son either. (Ancestry go up to 2005 for marriage, 2007 for death)
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 03 June 18 21:25 BST (UK) »
Well I go to bed and wake up to lots of additional information and agree that Ada Hannah Corke is the mother of Raymond.
I have heard of instances of living people having an open record on FindMyPast and deceased people being redacted.
I wonder if Ada/Hannah/Edith ever worked for Arthur Cunliffe Shepherd and his wife Ada Mary Cunliffe Shepherd who lived at Winsford Hall in the Electoral rolls. Evidently Winsford Hall is an area not a house looking at google  or could it be both?
Great searching Rootschatters  8)