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Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« on: Monday 04 June 18 16:38 BST (UK) »
Hi All, I hope somebody may be able to point me in the right direction.

My paternal Grandfathers mother was born 16th Dec 1903 in the Stapleton Workhouse Bristol to Kate Sandford nee Beer and Ernest Sandford.

While trying to research her I have noticed that, interchangeably, she is sometimes recorded as Seaward or Seward.

This is what I have found:
1. She appears to have been registered in the first quarter of 1904 (Bristol 6a 207) as Seward.
2. Her father (Ernest Sandford) died in 1910
3. 1911 Census, she is recorded as Beatrice Seaward, living with her mother, Kate Sandford in the Beer household (Kate's family)
4. 1916, Kate remarries to William Martin and Beatrice is adopted as Beatrice Seward Martin
5. 1925, marries Clifford E Carpenter with Maiden Name Seaward (Bristol 6a 422)
6. 1925, gives birth to my grandfather Clifford S Carpenter and records mothers name as Sandford, also my grandfathers middle name (Bristol 6a 179)
7. 1926, My Grandfathers sister, Jean is born, mothers maiden name also as Sandford (Bristol 6a 123)

Kate and Ernest married in 1901 but she seems to have been in the workhouse by 1903, Ernest dies in 1910 and Kate remarried 6 years later. Could Kate have been ashamed of Ernest for some reason so changed her name slightly?

Basically, I hope someone can help me fathom as to why Beatrice would keep changing her name?

Many thanks

Pete Carpenter

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 June 18 17:24 BST (UK) »
Hi have you followed Ernest back to see if his name changes slightly?
Is he the Earnest Sanford 24 Single occ Mill Hand b Bridgwater, Somerset shown as boarder with a John Beer 64 and Sarah Beer 56 at Luckwell Lane, Bristol in 1901 Census ref RG13/2360/94/32
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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 June 18 17:27 BST (UK) »
Hi

Welcome to RootsChat :)

Are you sure that the birth registration is that of your gt grandmother?

There is a baptism in Fishponds on the 15th January 1904 - Beatrice Seward daughter of Lilian .

I can’t see another birth registration either.

Perhaps it maybe worth checking out who this Lilian is and what happened to her and her daughter Beatrice - just to rule them out.

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 June 18 17:50 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

The GRO index entry for the birth registration for Beatrice Seward in March qtr 1904 gives no mothers maiden surname indicating a probably illegitimate birth which would tie in with the baptism Claire has found

Added  - A Stapleton birth should be registered in Barton Regis RD

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 June 18 18:41 BST (UK) »
After checking the last available census it would seem Kate Sandford records that she is a widow and boarder as the OP suggests BUT she has NO children.

Beatrice Seaward was a ‘boarder’ with the Beer family. It would suggest that when Kate remarried Beatrice was the adopted daughter of both Kate and William Martin.

I think Beatrice is possibly the daughter of Lilian Seaward.

The family are also in the Bristol Registration District where Beatrice was registered.

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 June 18 21:06 BST (UK) »
The GRO index entry for the birth registration for Beatrice Seward in March qtr 1904 gives no mothers maiden surname indicating a probably illegitimate birth which would tie in with the baptism Claire has found

There is a baptism in Fishponds on the 15th January 1904 - Beatrice Seward daughter of Lilian .

A quick look in Gloucestershire for births 1850 to 1890 including spelling variants shows:
birth Mar qtr 1877 Clifton vol 6a p147 SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane mmn BAILEY
birth Mar qtr 1880 Barton Regis vol 6a p157 SEWARD Lilian mmn SPERRING
birth Dec qtr 1888 Barton Regis vol 6a p125 SEWARD Lilian mmn PALMER

Lilian born 1888 is ruled out by:
death Dec qtr 1889 Barton Regis vol 6a p85 SEWARD Lilian age 1

marriage Sep qtr 1902 Bristol vol 6a p318 SEWARD Lilian and MAIDMENT Arthur
(ADDED - the 1911 census gives Arthur's age as 31 and Lilian's age as 30))

This could leave Lilian born 1877 as the likeliest candidate for Beatrice's mother.

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 June 18 21:37 BST (UK) »
Good evening all,

Thank you so much for replying! Food for thought here for sure!

If we assume that a Lillian Seward is Beatrices mother, why do you think she starts to use Sandford for the birth of her children? Especially as she likely didn't know Ernest Sandford very well at all as he died when she was six.

I have spoken to my Father and he says that his father (who is long dead unfortunately) always told him that his middle name, Sandford, was his mothers maiden name. (that's what beatrice always told him)

Thanks again :)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 June 18 21:43 BST (UK) »
After checking the last available census it would seem Kate Sandford records that she is a widow and boarder as the OP suggests BUT she has NO children.

Hi Claire, I saw this also. I noticed that the 'none' was struck through with red. What would that usually signify? (I'm pretty much an amateur at this! lol)

Thank you.

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 June 18 21:50 BST (UK) »
Beatrice Seaward was a ‘boarder’ with the Beer family. It would suggest that when Kate remarried Beatrice was the adopted daughter of both Kate and William Martin.

Hi again,

The reason that I determined that she was boarding with family is that I have found a parish record of a marriage between Ernest Sandford and Kate Beer on Christmas day 1901 in Long Ashton, Bedminster. Should I treat this as more of a coincidence at this stage?

Sorry for all the questions!