Author Topic: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward  (Read 928 times)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #27 on: Monday 04 June 18 22:54 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?

Just thinking about possible reasons for her attachment to the Sandford name.

Mind you it may just be that she used the Sandford name for most of her childhood (Kate only remarrying in 1917) so it felt natural, even though her “correct” birth surname was used in the 1911 census and on her marriage.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #28 on: Monday 04 June 18 22:57 BST (UK) »
Hi again, wondered why Kate had no near neighbours in 1901 census, she was a Housemaid at the Ham Green Isolation Hospital, Ham Green.
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Oh! That's about 5 miles from Bedminster. And Beatrice is recorded as being born at Stapleton Workhouse. Perhaps she worked in both, or transferred at some point?

Interesting! Thank you!

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #29 on: Monday 04 June 18 22:59 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?

From a previous relationship/affair with Lillian Seward?

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #30 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:02 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?

From a previous relationship/affair with Lillian Seward?

If so it would have to be - but pure speculation really.  I’ve added to my post at reply #27 on this point.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #31 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:06 BST (UK) »
OK so as their must be a Lilian Seward/Seaward out there in 1901, what happened post 1903?
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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #32 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:06 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?

From a previous relationship/affair with Lillian Seward?

If so it would have to be - but pure speculation really.  I’ve added to my post at reply #27 on this point.

I've re-read #27 and the idea seems reasonable to me!.

Also, on a whim I did another search for Sewards born in 1903 and there was also a Lilian Nora Seward born in the 4th Q of 1903... great! lol

EDIT: disregard Lilian Nora, she was born to Amelia and Charles Seward.

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #33 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:08 BST (UK) »
There is a Lilian Seward, of the right sort of age to be Beatrice’s mother, in the Bristol area - birth reg Barton Regis Mar qtr 1880.

Puzzlingly though she looks likely to have married an Arthur Maidment in Bristol in 1902.  So why might she be having an illegitimate Seward baby in 1903?

Hmmm.  More work to be done.

This one is a red herring - see later post
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #34 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:10 BST (UK) »
OK so as their must be a Lilian Seward/Seaward out there in 1901, what happened post 1903?
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A Lilian M Seward died in 1917 in Frome (not too far from Bristol) aged 40, which would make her born in 1877(ish) and 26 in 1903...

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Re: Beatrice Sandford/Seward/Seaward
« Reply #35 on: Monday 04 June 18 23:11 BST (UK) »
There is a Lilian Seward, of the right sort of age to be Beatrice’s mother, in the Bristol area - birth reg Barton Regis Mar qtr 1880.

Puzzlingly though she looks likely to have married an Arthur Maidment in Bristol in 1902.  So why might she be having an illegitimate Seward baby in 1903?

Hmmm.  More work to be done.

Looks like this one can be ruled out. She had a son Arthur Henry Maidment, Sep qtr 1903 Bristol, (born on 3 June 1903) so could not also have given birth to Beatrice.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)