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Language help? 16-17th century
« on: Tuesday 05 June 18 01:14 BST (UK) »
Help!  I'm looking to find out what a name is from my family tree.  I'm not sure if the origin is Gaelic or simply old Scotch, and spelling in those days wasn't a sure thing, a lot of phonetics abounded.  The name is Lawchwarit and it was the maiden name of my 11th gr grandmother who appears to have been born in Berwickshire.  I had a mini epiphany lately that perhaps Lawch might have been Loch but I'm still stuck on the warit part.  It would also be nice to know what the name might have become with the advent of regular spelling.  If specifics are needed, my ancestress was Janet Lawchwarit, b. ~1612, and she ended up married to Patrik Geillies (Gillies).  TIA!
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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 01:44 BST (UK) »
I think it may be an idea to post an image with some extra script for comparison for us to see as it doesn't look like a surname, rather a place name?
What is the doc, where did you get it & where was the marriage?

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 02:44 BST (UK) »
Hi, thanks for the suggestion but I don't have a doc.  This was an online record of baptism of her son Thomas (b. 1632) in Dunse, Berwickshire from ancestry.com.  Thomas himself was married by the early 1650's to a Janet Alline who had originated in Loth, Sutherland and their son William was born in Dunse in early 1653.  I'm just really stumped by 'Lawchwarit' since it's so different to anything I've seen or heard before.

I think it may be an idea to post an image with some extra script for comparison for us to see as it doesn't look like a surname, rather a place name?
What is the doc, where did you get it & where was the marriage?

Annie
Scotland, England

Tracing back Cunninghams, Chalmers, Horners, Barbours and cousin lines.

Germany, Norway

Tracing back Schmidt, Bahruth, Wehringer, Partheymuller and cousin lines.

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 03:11 BST (UK) »
It may be worth getting the original from SP to actually see it as it may be mistranscribed or show something different to a surname?

GEILLEIS THOMAS
PATRIK GEILLEIS/JENET LAWCHWARIT FR40
13/05/1632
735/10 63
Duns

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"


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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 03:12 BST (UK) »
Unless, could she have been of foreign descent?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 03:15 BST (UK) »
Costs are a factor.  Even my cousin, another amateur genealogist who actually lives in Scotland, makes due with the extracts because of cost.   :(

It may be worth getting the original from SP to actually see it as it may be mistranscribed or show something different to a surname?

GEILLEIS THOMAS
PATRIK GEILLEIS/JENET LAWCHWARIT FR40
13/05/1632
735/10 63
Duns

Annie
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Tracing back Cunninghams, Chalmers, Horners, Barbours and cousin lines.

Germany, Norway

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 03:28 BST (UK) »
"makes due with the extracts because of cost"

I think you mean transcriptions which are not extracts as extracts are docs. from the original Register of BMDs.

Another Baptism

GEILLEIS PATRIK
PATRIK GEILLEIS/JENET LAUCHNARET FR86
01/11/1646
735/10 153 Duns

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 03:32 BST (UK) »
Another

GEILLEIS MARGRAT
PATRIK GEILLEIS/JENET LAUCHWARET FR52 (FR52)
25/09/1636
735/10 89 Duns

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 03:40 BST (UK) »
Kids for Thomas;

GEILLEIS WILLIAME
THOMAS GEILLEIS/JENET ALLINE FR116 (FR116)
29/01/1654
735/10 213 Duns

GEILLEIS -----(No name)
THOMAS GEILLEIS/JENET ALLINE FR126 (FR126)
10/12/1655
735/10 228 Duns

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"