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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 04:46 BST (UK) »
the transcriptions found by Annie (Rosinish) LAWCHWARIT, LAWCHNARET, LAWCHWARETdon't immediately point to any Scottish surname I have found on surname lists.

Except....perhaps...just perhaps...a remote possibilty..... LOCKHART (and that's pushing it a bit!)

I wonder if it would be possible top find a male sibling of Jenet (or any male with the same surname) and tracking children forward a few generations to see how the name developed.

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 05:11 BST (UK) »
Wow, TY very much for all this extra stuff.  As for the records, said cousin goes to the office in Edinburgh, pays for access to the files, and manually transcribes what she finds.  I guess it's what works when you're in research mode and have to look at many things to confirm, deny, or otherwise trace the family line.

Kids for Thomas;

GEILLEIS WILLIAME
THOMAS GEILLEIS/JENET ALLINE FR116 (FR116)
29/01/1654
735/10 213 Duns

GEILLEIS -----(No name)
THOMAS GEILLEIS/JENET ALLINE FR126 (FR126)
10/12/1655
735/10 228 Duns

Annie
Scotland, England

Tracing back Cunninghams, Chalmers, Horners, Barbours and cousin lines.

Germany, Norway

Tracing back Schmidt, Bahruth, Wehringer, Partheymuller and cousin lines.

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 05:15 BST (UK) »
Lockhart had briefly crossed my mind as perhaps -warit could have slurred to -arrit and -art phonetically but it really seemed a stretch and most of my surname lookups gave the impression that it had a German base - possible in England but much less common in Scotland.

As for tracing down the siblings, it's a good idea but I have yet to get parents for her.  :P

the transcriptions found by Annie (Rosinish) LAWCHWARIT, LAWCHNARET, LAWCHWARETdon't immediately point to any Scottish surname I have found on surname lists.

Except....perhaps...just perhaps...a remote possibilty..... LOCKHART (and that's pushing it a bit!)

I wonder if it would be possible top find a male sibling of Jenet (or any male with the same surname) and tracking children forward a few generations to see how the name developed.

Philip
Scotland, England

Tracing back Cunninghams, Chalmers, Horners, Barbours and cousin lines.

Germany, Norway

Tracing back Schmidt, Bahruth, Wehringer, Partheymuller and cousin lines.

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 05:35 BST (UK) »
Philip, I did think of Lockhart/Lochart but it's an elastic band....a stretch  ;D

Baptism

LAUCHWARET ALLEXANDER
JOHNE LAUCHWARET/JENET ROBERTSONE FR59 (FR59)
03/02/1639
735/10 99 Duns

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 05:49 BST (UK) »
There's a Isobell Lauchwaret & Jenet on MyHeritage but I don't have a sub.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 05:54 BST (UK) »
Allisone Weir was born to Wlliame Weir and Isobell Lauchwaret
Baptized 1640,

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 05:59 BST (UK) »
GEILLEIS MARGRAT
PATRIK GEILLEIS/JENET LAUCHWARET FR52 (FR52)
25/09/1636
735/10 89 Duns

Seems they had 2 daughters with  same name, possibly 1st died or 2 different entries, one with wrong date?

Margrat Geilleis was born to Patrik Geilleis and Jenet Lauchwaret.
Baptized 1636

Margrat Gilleis was born to Patrik Gilleis and Jenet Lauchwaret
Baptized 1639

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 06:07 BST (UK) »
I've noticed that names got reused a lot with child deaths.

GEILLEIS MARGRAT
PATRIK GEILLEIS/JENET LAUCHWARET FR52 (FR52)
25/09/1636
735/10 89 Duns

Seems they had 2 daughters with  same name, possibly 1st died or 2 different entries, one with wrong date?

Margrat Geilleis was born to Patrik Geilleis and Jenet Lauchwaret.
Baptized 1636

Margrat Gilleis was born to Patrik Gilleis and Jenet Lauchwaret
Baptized 1639

Annie
Scotland, England

Tracing back Cunninghams, Chalmers, Horners, Barbours and cousin lines.

Germany, Norway

Tracing back Schmidt, Bahruth, Wehringer, Partheymuller and cousin lines.

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Re: Language help? 16-17th century
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 05 June 18 06:11 BST (UK) »
"makes due with the extracts because of cost"

Just for information ....

Scale of charges here:
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/our-charges

At 7.50 for 30 credits, this is really a minimal cost - and probably cheaper than your cousin's bus fare to the NLI in Edinburgh.  ;) ;D Maybe the two of you could share the cost? (you say your cousin pays to acces the files anyway)

Alternatively, if your cousin is viewing the original documents, could s/he photograph the word so we could take a look at it (and be sure to include a record or two either side for comparison)?