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Please accept my apologies
« on: Saturday 09 June 18 20:05 BST (UK) »
I completely messed up my post. It should have read:


Samuel KENWORTHY (1893-1917)

I am trying to trace an S. KENWORTHY who appears on the Great War Memorial Plaque in Tanfield Lea Community Centre, Co. Durham.

I have managed to identify a Samuel KENWORTHY who died on 11th February 1917, aged 23 and was buried in Tanfield Churchyard on 15-Feb-1917. His grave does not have a headstone. The 1911 Census shows that at the time he was a coalminer, born in the Tyne Dock area of South Shields in 1893, the son of William Broadhead KENWORTHY and the late Esther KENWORTHY of 7, Shop Square, Tanfield Lea.

After advertising locally I have been loaned the attached photograph purporting to be of Samuel KENWORTHY who died on 11th February 1917.

It appears, however, that the man has 3 or 4 “Overseas Service” stripes on his right sleeve and as these were not introduced until December 1917 he could not have been wearing them before his death in February 1917.

Before I disappoint the owner of the photograph is anyone prepared to confirm my theory?

In addition, it is unlikely that anyone can identify the lapel badge but can anyone identify the insignia above the “Overseas Service” stripes?

McTalbert


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Re: Please accept my apologies
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 June 18 21:17 BST (UK) »
your theory is quite correct. They were introduced in 1914 & awarded for each 1 year period spent overseas. As he has 4 means this is 1918 at the earliest.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 June 18 21:22 BST (UK) »
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 June 18 07:49 BST (UK) »
There is a Royal Navy Seamans record
Samuel Kenworthy born 18th Sep 1893 South Shields
SS111668
Usual lists of ships and description but also
"MD  Reports death of this man at Genl Hospital, Newcastle on Tyne on 11 Feby 17 ( I m pretty sure it says 11)

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Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 June 18 08:58 BST (UK) »

Many thanks for your prompt replies. You are all brilliant and, jim1 and Jebber, I am delighted to have my theory confirmed by experts.

KGarrard, I had already discounted Samuel and Stanley KENWORTHY who are included in the CWGC records. The British Army WWW1 1 Medal Roll lists eight Sam or Samuel KENWORTHYS as receiving campaign medals and I was unable to discount most of them. If he had been discharged through wounds or illness he would have probably received a Silver War Badge. There is no record of this. If he had died whilst serving, he would probably have been included in the Register of Soldiers’ Effects. He wasn’t.

cath151, I think that you have put the icing on the cake. In the box of the photographs I was loaned were two photos of seamen, one wearing the hatband, HMTBD (Torpedo Boat Destroyer) and the other, HMS Research.

There was also a postcard sent to his fiancé by Sam which I have attached in case it is of any interest to anyone as I have never seen a similar one.

I am off to Newcastle library tomorrow to Seaman SS111688 Samuel KENWORTHY on findmypast.

McTalbert


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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 June 18 10:37 BST (UK) »
Cath - I'd say your reading of his date of death is indeed 11 Feb 17.

Careful with the photos which may be of mates, HMS Research is not on his list of vessels served with.  Check out the list on this splendid site http://www.naval-history.net/

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 June 18 11:42 BST (UK) »
The postcard mentions the Queen Mary which the Samuel in the seamans records does appear to have sailed on but like Max says no HMS Research mentioned.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 June 18 00:00 BST (UK) »
Ijust noticed this second thread I think the collar badge in the photo is Australian army
https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/australian-imperial-force-aif-badges-1914-1918
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 June 18 03:11 BST (UK) »
" .....  can anyone identify the insignia above the “Overseas Service” stripes? "

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