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Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« on: Monday 11 June 18 21:53 BST (UK) »
Hi all, I wonder if anyone can help me find the early history of my great great grandmother Rose Ann Smith please?  She married Josiah Woodard in Aldeburgh, Suffolk in 1864.  I have her wedding and death certificates and have traced her censuses from 1871 onwards, but I can find no trace of her birth or 1851 or 1861 Census entries.  As you will see below, her first names and place of birth tend to vary a little!  Here is the information I know about her:

The wedding certificate shows her as Rosa Ann, "of full age", married in Aldeburgh Parish Church, Suffolk.  Her father was George Smith, occupation Carrier.  She was resident in Aldeburgh.  There are no clues about other family members on the certificate as both witnesses were Woodards.

The 1871 Census shows her as Roseanne aged 27, resident in Peasenhall, Suffolk, born in Hertford.

The 1881 Census shows her as possibly Roseanne (it is a little unclear) aged 37, resident in Esh Winning, Durham, born (looks like) Helmstead, Hereford (the enumerator's writing is atrocious)!

The 1891 Census for the Woodard family street in Esh Winning is recorded as missing.

The 1901 Census shows her as Rose A. aged 57, resident in Esh Winning, born Hemel Hempstead.

The 1911 Census shows her as Rose Annie aged 67, resident in Esh Winning, born Hemel Hempstead.
 
She died in Esh Winning in 1919 as Rose Ann, aged 75.

From the above, it seems safe to assume that she was born 1843/44 in Hemel Hempstead.  The other places listed on the censuses are probably where the enumerator has misheard.

I cannot locate any trace of her father George either.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 June 18 17:02 BST (UK) »
This is highly speculative as Hemel Hempstead is nowhere on the horizon,but,in the 1851 ands 1861 censuses there is a relative described as Rose Ann,niece(1851) and Rosina,granddaughter resident with a John Smith(c.1785) and wife Susan,interestingly,in Eyke,Plomesgate,Suffolk,which is very close to Aldeburgh.
The references are
1851 HO107/1802/376/8  Mouse Hole
1861 RG09/1174/34/7

It would obviously require George to probably be the son of John.
I can find a George Smith(c.1808),carrier in 1871 in Rougham at reference
1871 RG10/1724/123/12
but I can't as yet connect the two.
Hopefully some food for thought at least


Regards
Roger

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 June 18 19:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that, Roger.  I will look into those and see if anything can be made of them.  Unfortunately I am plagued with unconnected Smiths in my tree which can be a nightmare!

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 June 18 19:56 BST (UK) »
She seems to be the nearest Rose Ann of approximately the right age in the locality for an 1864 wedding

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 June 18 07:32 BST (UK) »
Have you ruled out the record on 1851 census?
Rose Ann Smith, age 5, Born Eyke, living with John & Harriet Smith in Eyke Suffolk
 - she is listed as "Niece"
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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 June 18 08:03 BST (UK) »
Duplicate post with replies

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 June 18 08:58 BST (UK) »
Clutching at straws!

In 1851 John (66) and Harriet(65) Smith look more like grand parents than uncle  and aunt
In 1841 John and Harriet have (daughter?) Harriet, aged 19, living with them.

From Free BMD-  Rose Ann Smith, June 1846, Plomesgate. (Includes Eyke). No mmn shown.

Plomesgate marriage register Dec 1847. Harriet Smith and James Poley on same page.
1851. Harriet Poley, born Eyke 1822, living with James Poley, Eyke

Question. Was Rose Ann illegitimate daughter of Harriet?'

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 June 18 09:44 BST (UK) »
In 1861 Rosina Smith, age 14, granddaughter, is living with John Smith(76), in Eyke.

I appreciate that none of this explains "father" George or Hemel Hempstead connection.

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Re: Rose Ann Smith, Hertfordshire and Suffolk
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 June 18 11:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you Lady Di and Brentor boy for your responses.  I had seen these, but I am still not 100% convinced as, for the last 40 years of her life, she gives Hemel Hempstead (or at least the enumerators' weird interpretations of this) as her birthplace.  However, I will investigate them further to see if I can establish a link.