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Offline Jill Eaton

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clutching at straws, coincidence or a possible lead?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 18 20:18 BST (UK) »
As many of you know I've been on the hunt for my gt gt grandfather John Williams for what feels like an eternity. I won't go into all the avenues I've pursued - you'd need all day to read them. However....since we don't give up until we've obliterated our brick walls I'd like to run a possible lead past you Rootchatters. I may now be entering the realms of desperation but here goes....

On my grandmother's brother. John James Harrington, Catholic baptism record from Findmypast there is more than one baptism on the original page. He was baptized in September 1889 at St Mary's, Horseferry Road, Westminster

My great grandmother's surname was Williams.
 
Below John James Harrington's entry, on the same day, there is a baptism for a James (Jacobus) Williams.

I am wondering if there is some sort of tentative family connection between the two families. Of course it may be entirely coincidental that two families with a surname in common had their children baptized on the same day in the same church.

if nothing else it proves there were other catholic families called Williams in the Westminster area around the same time.

I've had to separate the two images as they are too big to upload as one.

John James reference is 425
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: clutching at straws, coincidence or a possible lead?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 June 18 06:07 BST (UK) »
I think this is James Williams in 1891  Living Peabody Buildings, St George Hanover Sq but does it help :-\

Thomas William    27 b Birmingham   China and Glass Packer
Alice William 24 b Kingston on Thames
James William    1  b London Westminster

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Re: clutching at straws, coincidence or a possible lead?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 June 18 09:57 BST (UK) »
It may also be worth looking for the respective godmothers, Honora and Helena (Helen, Ellen, Eleanor?) Williams.

Has Honora already been traced in the various searches?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: clutching at straws, coincidence or a possible lead?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 June 18 13:05 BST (UK) »
I think this is James Williams in 1891  Living Peabody Buildings, St George Hanover Sq but does it help :-\

Thomas William    27 b Birmingham   China and Glass Packer
Alice William 24 b Kingston on Thames
James William    1  b London Westminster

Kay

By 1891 my Harringtons/Williams living in West Ham but certainly in 1871 the William's twin girls and their mother (John the dad had just died) were living in Westminster Buildings (I believe these were part of the Peabody Building association).

In 1881 they were living at No 76 Great Peter Street, Westminster.
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire


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Re: clutching at straws, coincidence or a possible lead?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 June 18 13:11 BST (UK) »
It may also be worth looking for the respective godmothers, Honora and Helena (Helen, Ellen, Eleanor?) Williams.

Has Honora already been traced in the various searches?

Honora was Mary Harrington/William's twin sister and she tended to go where her twin went. So in 1891 she was also in West Ham. However it's certainly worth me looking into the other god mother
(Helen, Ellen, Eleanor?) Williams.
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire