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Charles Obst
« on: Thursday 14 June 18 16:17 BST (UK) »
Hi, I'm looking for information about my g g uncle. His name was Charles Obst and he was from Saxony, Prussia originally. I know he lived in Liverpool and was a tailor. The earliest I can find anything about him is about 1859. I'm wondering how to find how he came to be in Liverpool and when he arrived (and why?) As far as I can tell he was the only Obst here until he had his children.
Any help would be great
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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:01 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat :)

Just to get a better sense of the dates - presumably he's the one born c1825 in Prussia, appearing in Liverpool censuses from at least 1871?  (I haven't yet found the 1861 - do you have that?).

You mention a record dating from 1859 but you don't say what that was - is it the birth of son Robert (12 b Liverpool per 1871)?

1871 ref: RG10/3775/30/1 (Charles Obst is "married"; wife not with him and their children - but per 1881 she is Anne).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:08 BST (UK) »
Birth registrations:

Wilhelmina Obst, mmn Gilmore, Dec qtr 1861 Liverpool
Hannah Maria Obst, mmn Gilmore, Jun qtr 1863 Liverpool
Anne Obst, mmn Gilmore, Jun qtr 1865 Liverpool
Louisa Obst, mmn Gilmore, Mar qtr 1867 Liverpool
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:12 BST (UK) »
It looks as though Robert was born to his mother's previous marriage:

Birth registration: Robert Ruxton, mmn Gilmore, Jun qtr 1859 Liverpool

Ann Gilmore had married Robert Ruxton 17 Apr 1853, St Nicholas Liverpool.

His death: Robert Ruxton aged 33, Jun qtr 1859 Liverpool.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:14 BST (UK) »
Hello,

1861 2673/74/4

Charles Olst 35 yrs unmarried Tailor b Wurtemburg
Lodging with Ann Ruxton and child Robert.

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:22 BST (UK) »
Hi and thank you,
That is the correct Charles Obst and 1859 is the year of his son's birth ( although as you say it appears to be from his wife's previous marriage). Charles was living in a boarding house in seel street, Liverpool of which Ann ruxton was landlady. I know her first husband had died around the time Robert was born and she and Charles eventually got married. The questions arise as to whether Ann was mother to Charles kids or stepmother..and if it was the latter, who and where was the mother as the kids must have been born in liverpool

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:26 BST (UK) »
She was their mother - as the mother's maiden name of Gilmore shows on their birth registrations (reply #2).

There is also a Catholic baptism for daughter Anne b 1865 (as Anna Obst, in Latin) showing her parents as Charles (Caroli) Obst and Anne (Anna) formerly Gilmore. (St Peter Priory, Liverpool, 23 July 1865).

Robert Ruxton had also received a Catholic baptism in 1859.

I've now also found a Catholic baptism for Hannah Maria (as "Maria Joanna") in 1863 - parents Caroli "Osten" and Anne formerly "Gilmour".
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:28 BST (UK) »
I know her first husband had died around the time Robert was born and she and Charles eventually got married.

I'm not seeing the marriage of Charles and Ann(e) - do you have details?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Charles Obst
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 June 18 17:37 BST (UK) »
Robertís birth shows as 7th March and Robert snr died June quarter -both 1859 so it seems likely that he is of that marriage.
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