Author Topic: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett  (Read 2228 times)

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Hi there,

I’m really curious to track down a marriage record, if one exists, for Francis Franks, a hemp and flax dresser, born ~1826 in Spitalfields and Susan Franks née Barrett, a shoe binder (later a match box maker), born ~1828 in Bethnal Green.

Their eldest daughter Sarah was born in 1850, at which point they were living at 4 Preston Street, Bethnal Green. Sarah was baptised as St Simon Zelotes on 14 April 1850. So I would assume Francis and Susan were married around 1849 in Bethnal Green but my search for a record has yielded nothing so far in the marriage index or banns records.

I'm new to London-focused research so any advice or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,

Lorna

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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 June 18 02:31 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

I am not easily seeing a relevant marriage either.  Often in these situations the answer is simply that people didn’t marry.  We can usually only speculate as to why - perhaps parenthood presented itself unexpectedly and they just got on with it, or they believed in the myth of “common-law marriage” and didn’t think any formalities were required.

Have you found the family in the 1851 census?  It is eluding me at the moment.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 June 18 05:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for the welcome :) And for the quick and helpful reply.

That was my suspicion too, though I was hoping it wasn't the case! Very interesting to hear your suggestions for why people didn't get married.

Unfortunately I don't have them in 1851. I nearly mentioned in the main post but I was worried about making it too lengthy: as well as the marriage I'm also missing the whole family in both 1851 and 1871.

On the off chance that anyone can weigh in on those:

1851
I suspect that they somehow evaded the census, as they lived at 4 Preston street in both April 1850 and at daughter Jane's birth in Dec 1851, but for the census that house appears uninhabited (HO107/1540/202 p 20). No idea if this would've been deliberate or not (do people deliberately avoid census takers?)

1871
I have them in 1861 at 12, Wharf Road, South Hackney, and then a string of other addresses around Islington, Bethnal Green and Shoreditch for 1864, 1869, 1876 and 1879 (they seemed to move a fair bit). But despite several generic and address-specific searches haven't found them in 1871 either.

A further note: Francis died in Waterloo Road workhouse in 1879 but the widowed Susan is still around in 1881. She lived with two of her daughters at 2 Virginia Row, Bethnal Green. Unfortunately post 1881 I can't find any obviously compelling records for her (either alive in another census or a death/burial).

A very slippery family when it comes to official records!

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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 June 18 11:35 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Could this be Susans death  :-\
March qtr 1892 
Franks    Susanna   age 66   
Kensington reg district    1a   114
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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 June 18 11:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the welcome Rosie, and many thanks for the suggestion also.  :)

It's one of the possibilities for sure, but I've decided against purchasing the certificate for the time being as she never previously went by Susanna that I know of and the Kensington area seems just a little out of the way (and a bit upmarket?). Haven't ruled it out, but I'm slightly more tempted by a couple of death records for Susan Barrett in Islington and St George in the East. Think I'll hold off until I feel one is more likely than the rest. There are a handful of Workhouse admission records with some potential, too - I'd like to look into those more closely in case, like Francis, she was admitted to one before her death.

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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 June 18 18:51 BST (UK) »
Admission to Bethnal Green Workhouse, 3rd March 1883
Susan Franks
born 1826
9 Satchwell Street
discharge 17.3.83

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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 June 18 22:56 BST (UK) »
That seems promising, thanks very much!

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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 July 18 13:34 BST (UK) »
Looks like daughter Ellen 14 is a kitchen maid in Edmonton in 1871

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Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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Re: ~1849 Bethnal Green Marriage Record - Francis Franks m. Susan Barrett
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 July 18 14:50 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Could this be Susans death  :-\
March qtr 1892 
Franks    Susanna   age 66   
Kensington reg district    1a   114

You can ignore that one she is at RG12 /26 f129 p17 in 1891 (Kensington)
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