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Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« on: Sunday 17 June 18 19:56 BST (UK) »
My gt grandmother Jane Williamson was born 1860 Stoneykirk. Three of her brothers John (1857), Alexander (1863) and Robert (1865) were baptised at St. Josephs RC church Stranraer. She does not appear to have been baptised into the same faith as her 3 brothers, neither did her youngest brother, Francis, as far as I can see. They were obviously very poor - was that the reason? Her parents were married at Gatehouse of Fleet at a Roman Catholic service in 1855.

Just curious that's all.

Judy
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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 June 18 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Judy,
Do you mean that your gt grandmother Jane and her brother were baptised in a different church ? Or do you mean that they were not baptised at all?
If the latter I would assume it was perhaps the cost - or maybe even the hassle of travelling from Stoneykirk to Stranraer (it's only 6 miles but if you had to walk it in winter maybe you wouldn't bother  ::) )
I've a gt gt grandmother born in same area in 1850s , she was from a large family - some of her older siblings were either not baptised or were baptised at St Josephs RC in Stranraer. The younger siblings were christened at the local Church of Scotland parish church (1860s)  - I have no idea why.

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 June 18 21:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Judy and Looby

It could also be that relevant parish registers have been lost or destroyed over the years...

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 June 18 21:56 BST (UK) »
The timescale might indicate they escaped the famine in Ireland of the 1840's.

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 June 18 23:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica - you are right , the records may not have survived.

Thanks Skoosh , obviously don't know about Judy's family - but mine are on 1841 Census and yes, origins are Irish  :D - they must have arrived in 1820s or 30s.

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 June 18 08:44 BST (UK) »
Yes thanks Looby you story sounds similar to mine.

I have a short sub to FindMyPast and found the RC baptisms there. I did trawl back and forwards to search the relevant periods for my gt.gran and her younger brother but didn't find them. I'll ask my recently found distant relatives next week when I meet them again to see if they can throw some light on this anomaly.

Yes, gtx2 grandfather was Irish so must have come to Scotland to escape the Famine. See other previous posts some years back on Rootschat. Such a lot of help on here over time thank you all.

Only just discovered this new snippet of information.

Judy
Blair, Marshall, Williamson - Ayrshire, Wigtownshire
Saxton, Sketchley - Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire
Brown, Green - Rutland
Hawker, Malone, Bradbury, Arnott, Turner, Woodings, Blakemore, Upton, Merricks - Warwickshire, Staffordshire
Silvers, Dudley, Worcs
Deakin - Staffordshire

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 June 18 20:43 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where to find names of deceased of the  Irish Potatoe Famine? Alternatively the names of those evicted through non-payment of rent?

Maybe there is a reason why this information is not available?

Judy
Blair, Marshall, Williamson - Ayrshire, Wigtownshire
Saxton, Sketchley - Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire
Brown, Green - Rutland
Hawker, Malone, Bradbury, Arnott, Turner, Woodings, Blakemore, Upton, Merricks - Warwickshire, Staffordshire
Silvers, Dudley, Worcs
Deakin - Staffordshire

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 June 18 16:41 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where to find names of deceased of the  Irish Potatoe Famine? Alternatively the names of those evicted through non-payment of rent?
Judy

There's a new thread about it today with a link to a website which is compiling information about evictions.
Edit. I've now found the thread and I see it was started by you. I bookmarked the site. https://irishfamineeviction.com

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Re: Why were 3 brothers of my gt.grandmother baptised Roman Catholic?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 June 18 18:05 BST (UK) »
Not every area and thus every family in Ireland were effected by the Great Famine of the mid 1800s. Indeed, Ulster got off much lighter than other Provinces. There may have been more an economic reason for going to Scotland. Civil registration of deaths began in 1864 but some church registers start earlier. Usually it was only the Church of Ireland that kept burial registers but it's worth looking just in case there are deaths recorded.

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