Need help reading Scottish marriage - 1878

[lorrainec]

Can anyone help?
The marriage is of Isabel Edwards and William Sommerville in 1878.  I am trying to read the information for Isabel's father, Richard.  I see he was deceased, a mariner and his wife is Martha but I can't read anything else for Martha!

How can I cut/past the bit I can't read?


Help!

[Daonnachd]

Hi,

What I have done in the past is to save it as a picture, crop the part you want deciphered, save that as a separate picture then add it to message as an attachment.

I would check with a moderator to find out if this method is a copyright infringement first though.

Lindsey

[Gadget]

Hi

You can do what Lindsey has said or do a screen clip of the relevant part with the the snipping  tool and save that and then post as an attachment.

A small portion doesn't breach copyright.

Gadget

[lorrainec]

Here is the screen shot ... hopefully it works!

[Girl Guide]

I think we are looking at two surnames for Martha - Smith and Shackleton

I think Shackleton was her maiden name and Smith was a previous married name.  There is something in brackets before the name Smith and it is difficult to read.

The way to see if I am right is to find a marriage of a Martha Shackleton to a Smith.  She may have been a widow when she married Mr. Edwards.

[lorrainec]

That's what I thought too!  I am trying to attach a screen shot ... bear with me!

[Flattybasher9]

A Richard Edwards married a Martha Shackleton in December 1856 in Fylde, Lancashire.

Also, there is a September 1867 marriage of a Martha Shackleton to a Joseph Smith in Skipton.

There are several deaths of Joseph Smith's in Skipton between 1868 and 1878, 2 of which would probably be in the correct age bracket, one in June 1869 and 1 in September 1870. Of course, it may not be either.

Malky

[AMBLY]

I agree, that a remarriage of Martha EDWARDS nee SHACKLETON to SMITH is the likely Scenario. Scottish marriage certificates required a mother's remarried name to be recorded - and whatever the two words " ......  name"  that are partly obliterated  (paper scraped off?) is likely to mean 'current married name' or something like that?  There is no requirement on the other hand, to record a mother's previous married name.

You could ask SP to please provide a better image scan , as that one is a pretty unreadable photo copy, which could help greatly.

Isabella (or Isa) and her mother proving elusive in 1871, and Martha/Richard in 1861.........

Martha may have been born abt 1838 in Manchester?
The 1881 - 1891 Scottish Census for William and Isa SOMMERVILLE, she's born in England about 1860-1862
The 1901 Census for William and Isabella, she's born Fleetwood Lancs abt 1862.

In 1856 (as Malky posted) a Richard EDWARDS married Martha SHACKELTON in Fylde, Lancs  - Flyde encompasses Fleetwood.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

Isabella's birth is registered in Fylde  Mar Qtr 1860, mms SHACKLETON.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

A brother Richard, born 1857, mms:     SCHACKLETON   (sic), also registered in Fylde

Richard Snr probably died 1866, registered in Fylde:
Richard EDWARDS, age 47  (born ab 1820)

Found old forum messages posted on A>y by researchers in 2015:

"MARRIAGE Richard & Martha
Richard Edwards, Deputy Harbour Master Fleetwood,of Back Victoria Street, Fleetwood - marries Martha Shackelton 13 October 1856 at the Wesleyan Chapel in Fleetwood - his father Richard Edwards was also Deputy Harbour Master but was deceased at the of the marriage.

"Martha's parents William and Isabella"

"1851 census - Isabella's father pre-marriage to Martha
Albert Street Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Richard Edwards Head Married age 62 born 1789 Pier Head Watchman - born Wales
Richard Edwards Son Unmarried age 31 born 1820 Mariner born Liverpool, Lancashire
Margaret Edwards Daughter Unmarried age 26 born 1825 Watchmaris Daughter Liverpool"

It is helpful to understand the marriage is Wesleyan.

This  could be Martha in 1841:  (I'll type up the full in an edit in a minute)
HO107 - Piece 571 - Book 9/ Folio 38/ Pg2

And in 1851:
HO107 - Piece 226 / Folio 13 / Pg 18
Neice : M Shackleton 12. b Manchester

What was Isabella's address in 1878 and who were the witness'?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Gadget]

Agree with the others. I see

Martha Edwards
 previous name Smith
MN Shackleton

Which is the standard form on Scottish certificates for those married more than once.


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