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Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« on: Friday 22 June 18 18:14 BST (UK) »
Trying to locate the birth record of Robert Henry Boyle reputedly in Belfast --- married twice

First
Robert Henry Boyle aged 23 a Private in the East Lancs Regt residing 18 Tyne Street, son of Hugh Boyle, engineer married Wilhelmina Alderdice aged 21 on 24 Aug 1927 in St Paul's Church of Ireland Belfast.

Second
On 3 March 1936 Robert Henry Boyle aged 27 widower & Butler of 51 Penrith Street Belfast son of Robert Henry Boyle , engineer married Sarah Carr aged 21

Robert Henry Boyle's army record states he was born 24 Jan 1904 in Belfast son of Hugh Boyle:

I have searched GRONI, 1901 & 1911 census returns for Ireland but cannot locate - it is a bit of a mystery.

I know you good folks on Rootschat might be able to help!!

Any suggestions?


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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 June 18 21:53 BST (UK) »

... I know you good folks on Rootschat might be able to help!!

Any suggestions?


Struggling big time, lol. There is the following birth which I'm trying to eliminate (ie. by tracking back parent's marriage etc.), the subsequent baptism took place in St. Mary's RC Church Belfast on 24 January 1904, but nothing else in the birth/baptism records fit or make sense with the marriage record  information:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718736.pdf


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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 June 18 22:51 BST (UK) »
Trying to locate the birth record of Robert Henry Boyle reputedly in Belfast --- married twice

First
Robert Henry Boyle aged 23 a Private in the East Lancs Regt residing 18 Tyne Street, son of Hugh Boyle, engineer married Wilhelmina Alderdice aged 21 on 24 Aug 1927 in St Paul's Church of Ireland Belfast.

Second
On 3 March 1936 Robert Henry Boyle aged 27 widower & Butler of 51 Penrith Street Belfast son of Robert Henry Boyle , engineer married Sarah Carr aged 21

I’m not sure I’m understanding this query correctly?

Is this who you think are the same person as it seems unlikely although they may well be related given their names?

1927 Robert Henry Boyle aged 23 (born c1904) married & father given as Hugh Boyle

1936 Robert Henry Boyle aged 27 (born c1909) married & father given as Robert Henry Boyle

Have you found the death of 1st wife Wilhelmina?

Annie


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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 June 18 22:59 BST (UK) »
Trying to locate the birth record of Robert Henry Boyle reputedly in Belfast --- married twice

First
Robert Henry Boyle aged 23 a Private in the East Lancs Regt residing 18 Tyne Street, son of Hugh Boyle, engineer married Wilhelmina Alderdice aged 21 on 24 Aug 1927 in St Paul's Church of Ireland Belfast.

Second
On 3 March 1936 Robert Henry Boyle aged 27 widower & Butler of 51 Penrith Street Belfast son of Robert Henry Boyle , engineer married Sarah Carr aged 21

I’m not sure I’m understanding this query correctly?

Is this who you think are the same person as it seems unlikely although they may well be related given their names?

1927 Robert Henry Boyle aged 23 (born c1904) married & father given as Hugh Boyle

1936 Robert Henry Boyle aged 27 (born c1909) married & father given as Robert Henry Boyle

Have you found the death of 1st wife Wilhelmina?

Annie


I agree it doesn't make sense!!
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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 June 18 23:23 BST (UK) »
"I agree it doesn't make sense!!"

Hallmark, Glad it's not just me!

Gort,

Have you found any children & their marriages from..

"First
Robert Henry Boyle aged 23 a Private in the East Lancs Regt residing 18 Tyne Street, son of Hugh Boyle, engineer married Wilhelmina Alderdice aged 21 on 24 Aug 1927 in St Paul's Church of Ireland Belfast."


What info. (including dates/places of the events) is on their births & marriages?

Annie





South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 June 18 23:24 BST (UK) »
Just throwing this one in as nothing else seems t make sense- no boys named Robert born 24 Jan.1904 in Belfast registration district that I can see.
Robert (illegitimate) born 24 Jan.1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01799/1705373.pdf
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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 June 18 23:38 BST (UK) »
Robert (illegitimate) born 24 Jan.1905

Good find aghadowey!

Maybe a later Sinclair/Boyle marriage & took on the new husbands' surname although not sure where the middle name Henry appears from?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 June 18 23:40 BST (UK) »
Gort,

Can you tell us how you arrived at those names please from previous generations to help with any descrepancies?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Struggling to locate a Belfast birth - mystery
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 June 18 23:49 BST (UK) »
Some more that don't quite match-

Robert Boyle, son of Robert (labourer), born 28 Jan.1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01754/1691829.pdf

Robert Henry Boyle, born 28 20 Jan.1904, son of Michael (labourer)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718736.pdf
Previously posted at reply #1. Thanks to gaffy for noticing the error
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